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this hope radio for the masses Atlanta

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between July 8 1947 here on the airport

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booth has an ops and applying this has

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been found and is now in the possession

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of the are a big change the game changer

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I occasionally think how quickly our

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differences worldwide would vanish if we

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were facing an alien threat from outside

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fade to black with your host Jimmy

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church on the game-changer Radio Network

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we need your help to get to the year

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jimmy touch on the game-changing network

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well well well good evening fade to

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this spoke radio

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for Masse's that's right it's Wednesday

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it's Wednesday December 5th 2018 339

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days into the new year

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there are just 26 days left and as

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always we are live from a bunker in the

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middle of beautiful downtown Burbank

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California and I would like to welcome

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everybody listening all around the world

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all across the United States hither and

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thither to and fro back and forth up and

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down east and west north and south far

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and near

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this is fade to black for kjc are the

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game changer network and kg are a the

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planets I am your host Jimmy Church what

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is crackin hey dude

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alright it's gonna be a great show

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tonight

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and if you are watching me on the bunker

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cam you know now it's cold and rainy

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here in Southern California

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I'm cold I haven't thought out I got a

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jacket out I'm in the studio I need some

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gloves I wish I had a scarf I got my

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Elvis scarf I'll do that tomorrow night

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I'll do that for everybody on the bunker

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all right height tonight very special

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guest I've been looking forward to this

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for a very long time independent

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filmmaker

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mark borchardt is here that's right mark

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Borchardt is here and we are going to

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discuss his new film the dundee project

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which is about the UFO Days Festival in

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Dundee Wisconsin and we're gonna talk

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about filmmaking we're going to talk

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about him I'm sure we're gonna get some

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music in and maybe we'll talk a little

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food too as well we're gonna do

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everything tonight with Mark I've been

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looking forward to having him on as a

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guest for a very long time and a little

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note about tonight's show this is the

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thing I've been following marked for for

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a long time big fan big big big fan and

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I got an email from our producer Renee

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and I think it was last week and she you

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know I give this email Jimmy yeah you

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know borchardt

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and I and I saw yeah that's yeah right

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so anyway I wrote Renee back and I

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almost said you handl it and then I

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backed up it said you know what I accept

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this challenge I'm gonna I'm gonna chase

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mark down and I did and there you go so

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nice surprise announcement tonight we've

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got more mark borchardt here and and

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there you go

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so justjust sit down relax wherever

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you are get comfortable and enjoy the

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conversation tonight tomorrow night is

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another Fator night to receive an

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heiress is going to be here with a

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divine frequency on the airwaves

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followed by open lines all night long

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and then Friday I'm off but then I head

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over to coast to coast am and I'll be

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hosting over a coast on Saturday and

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Sunday so we're not stopping we're just

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gonna keep this keep the Train on the

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tracks all the way through MIT and next

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week what we've gotten lined up I mean

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it's one of those things you know

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because we had such an amazing week here

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and last a week ago you know it's just

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the the weeks the shows turn into months

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and years but they've always always been

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great but next week I look at that

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schedule and I'm blessed I'm humbled and

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what a great week we have got lined up

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for everybody next week so there you go

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and now you can follow us and and send

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us requests and keep up with us over at

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on stellar on stellar calm the new

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social network on stellar comm when you

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get there send me a friend request I did

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notice I was over there over the last

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couple of days and I'm so backed up on

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friend requests okay so I will catch up

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with everybody I promise I know that

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there's some of you have to go man

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Church man you know you know I'm being

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ignored this is not cool it's it's it's

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tough to keep up with okay so I promise

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I'll catch up with everybody

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end of day tomorrow deal deal okay but

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do send me a firm request over there all

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right and you know what to do on twitter

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@jj church radio and tonight just like

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every other night we are going to go

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through two three four thousand tweets

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on this show okay now if you want to

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check out what what that looks like what

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what that kind of Twitter activity with

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is like in the conversations is head

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over to Twitter 70 or you know we follow

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me on Twitter but use hashtag F to be

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that is the sandbox it is just amazing

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and I'm just sitting here and I say it

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every night on the air right Twitter is

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live well it is it's right in front of

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me and I'm just watching it just like

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everybody else click click click click

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click and the engagement that everybody

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has with these conversations we use

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TweetDeck get tweet deck no matter what

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and it runs automatically it's not like

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Twitter where you have to go well it's a

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Twitter product but you don't have to

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click on notifications or updates or

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anything like that it's just

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anytime anybody post anything it just

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advances it's like a slot machine it's

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really really cool

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so get tweet hashtag f2b come over and

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hang out with all of us we have two

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chatrooms one over at Spreaker one over

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at kg ra the planet if that's what you

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would like to do you can do that and

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also email is Jimmy Jimmy Church radio

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comm if you have any questions for

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myself or mark tonight on the show like

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any other night hashtag f2b q which

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means fade to black questions yeah yeah

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and you can do it right there

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I love Frank Zappa I love I hope that

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everybody that when I do a Sapa ism like

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that yeah right the central scrutinize

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er right yeah jelly donut if I just hope

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you catch that stuff

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I chose garage what a great album ok

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let's move on let's get this show

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cracking breaking news today by the way

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the French government caved that's right

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they announced today that it has dropped

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the fuel tax hike plan that sparked this

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massive unrest over in Paris with the

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the yellow vests protests as they have

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been called and Paris is burning right

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Paris Paris

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burning crazy watching the videos of the

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streets affairs with the burned-out cars

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an assist you know what the the people

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have spoken and you need to respond when

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they that's it and they have so it got

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suspended with the half-year moratorium

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so it's at least it looks like it's out

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for the 2019 budget and I doubt that

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they go back and revisit this they got

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to figure out some other things to do

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but for now the fuel tax hike plan has

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been cancelled there you go all right

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come join us for the 2019 conscious life

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Expo right here in Los Angeles

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15,000 people at that conference so come

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this year we're celebrating the 50th

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anniversary of Chariots of the Gods with

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Erich von däniken that's right I have

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the honor of hosting the panel this year

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with Eric Linda Moulton Howe Jason

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there is obviously going to be some cool

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stuff going down at this panel for Eric

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so you're going to want to attend and

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we'll see you there George Noory is

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going to be speaking nassim haramein

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Robert Schoch dannion brinkley grant

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Cameron julia mas birds Theresa Gianaris

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and another 50 speakers will be

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at Jimmy Church radio.com don't forget

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about Hoffman's optics going get your

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own night vision will be talking about

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UFO festivals and gatherings tonight

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with with Mark borchardt tonight and

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when you go to these kinds of gatherings

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you want to show up with your own night

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vision that's what you want to do so go

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and get yours

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means optics.com that's right

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they build my goggles right the Jimmy

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Church model the the deep blue model

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right there you can go and get exactly

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what I use right so go hoffman's

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optics.com and to get a hold of Alec

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he's a fade or not he's great and the

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alright I and while you're over at the

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was gonna read it but it's so

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self-serving emails like dude I drink

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your coffee ok heated life oil I drink

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the tea I've got the goggles and it's

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just so cool thank you guys so much for

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that tomorrow night on the show a fast

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start diet and that's the reason why I'm

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slim and trim today

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fast start diet tomorrow night on the

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show we are going to be giving away

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three not one not two but three the

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number is 3 3 fast start diets tomorrow

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night on the show now first off you got

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to want to do the diet right but and I'm

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gonna figure out something clever for

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this giveaway but these are amazing ok

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and and you can go to amazon.com and

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search for fast our diet you can go and

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check out everything

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is in these gift packs that we are

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giving away tomorrow night massive

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three-day fast our diet program

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everything in there all right so we're

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gonna do that tomorrow not on the show

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so I do want to think fast our diet and

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everybody over there for allowing us to

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do this for the fader now so that'll be

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tomorrow night Duran fader night on the

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show all right there you go today check

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this out

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December 5th there today nobody that

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influenced me was born on December 5th

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[Laughter]

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on this day in history though in 1945 it

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happened it went down at 2:10 p.m. five

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US Navy Avenger torpedo bombers

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comprising flight 19 take off from the

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Fort Lauderdale Naval Air Station in

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Florida on a routine three-hour training

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mission right three-hour tour flight 19

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was scheduled to take take them to East

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for about 120 miles north for 73 miles

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and then back for an overall final 120

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mile leg that we turns them to the Naval

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Base they never came back and that was

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on this day in 1945 I just watched we

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were talking about this last week in the

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show

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I just watched Close Encounters of the

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Third Kind for the hundredth time and

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that opening scene right with flight 19

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that's really cool and there you go and

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it happened on this day of 1945 fader

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fact here you go this vetted this is

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real fader fact hamsters went up to

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eight miles a night on the wheel in a

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habit trail and that is your fader fact

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what happened to this show when what

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happened do you guys remember those

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habit trails they were fun to put

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together - do they still make them they

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still make them they make those habit

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trails it'll pop up here in Twitter

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somebody posts me a picture

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oh that's good the number is three who

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did that

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you are quick that is fast all right all

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right all right I tweeted it just as you

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said it you guys are good that's pretty

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fast all right I want to see some

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pictures of habit trails tonight very

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special guest independent filmmaker Mark

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Borchardt is with us we're gonna discuss

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his new film the Dundee project but the

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UFO days da ze by the way Days Festival

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which is up in Dundee Wisconsin tomorrow

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night is another Fator night teresi an

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heiress is gonna be here divine

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frequency on the airwaves followed by

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open lines all night long my favorite

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night of the week I get to hang out with

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all of you and just talk now I was just

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talking about the UFO Days Festival and

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each year there are many festivals

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around the country and sure there are

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the big ones like contacting the desert

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it's someone that everybody thinks about

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first because it is the biggest and of

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course there's the conscious life Expo

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you know we're gonna be there this year

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it's also huge but then there's the UFO

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Congress the annual MUFON symposium

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you've got Roswell and their festival in

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the Ozark Mountain the UFO conference

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all big and fun full of history

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certainly right I get that but there's a

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lot of other conferences out there and

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some of them are small right you know

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little get-togethers little gatherings

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there's a lot of them and attending all

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of them would be impossible Rita and I

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decided to pull back a few years ago we

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did almost one per month and we were

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getting invited to so many we wanted to

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get out there and hang out with the with

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with all of you and and there's so much

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fun but it just got to be too much right

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it did it it's it's just something that

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and when I talk about my schedule in our

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schedule here it gets to be old news but

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now we really only do just four we do

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contact in the desert we do disclose

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your fast

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conscious life Expo and of course Sol

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Tech and I mean there's a point a

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have to look at things in this regard

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there's 12 months out of the year right

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and each one of those months I'm over a

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coast-to-coast for one or two weekends

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so that kills that so that means we have

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one or two weekends free per month four

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of those months are taken up with four

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other conferences so that means there's

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like eight months there that are

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available and then I've got taping and

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other things that I do for television so

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that whacks out a bunch of weekends and

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then when we stopped and looked at the

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schedule really I like to take a day off

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or two per month you know and it got to

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the point especially a couple of years

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ago where we went like 12 straight

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months without a day off it was an

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insane just imagine if you worked 365

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days a year

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10 12 14 16 hours per day you know it

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got we meant your mind starts to swim so

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we had to back off of that but one of

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the things that we did realize when when

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we were hitting all of these conferences

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is there are a lot of great conferences

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out there it's not just about these big

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ones over here on the west coast the

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ones over here on the west coast are

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easy for us to get to so and I know it

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seems that way because we talk about

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contact or soul text so much that

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everything is out here but to be honest

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that's just not the case it's not and if

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you look around I get emails and I get

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requesting phone calls you know you've

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all heard them you know Jimmy you guys

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have to do stuff out here in the East

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Coast where the East Coast conferences

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well they're out there they're all

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across the country and if you just look

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around where you live

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chances are you're gonna find the local

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annual UFO gathering that has pretty

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much all the stuff of the big shows

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you're gonna have great people an

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awesome hangout you're gonna have

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conversations food right wine speakers

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presentations and

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probably gonna have some great night

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watching - and you're gonna be able to

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go and just hang out you know when we go

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to something like e said e or you know

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II said II where there you know you've

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got 150 people there you know it's not

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five thousand but it is as fun as

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anything and so around you you have a

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great great gathering of people case in

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point you know the subject of our guest

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tonight Mark Borchardt and his new film

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the dundee project is the annual UFO

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gathering that's called UFO days up in

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dundee wisconsin and here's the deal if

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you think about it have you heard of UFO

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days well probably not but if I lived in

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Wisconsin I'd be there every year I

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guaranteed I would and it's held up

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north on the North End of Long Lake in

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Dundee and they have their own reasons

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for this event and one of them is

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they've got crafts that are visiting

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this small town that's right and their

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lake and Dundee Mountain which is there

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they've got their reasons to get

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together and so if you're in the Chicago

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area if you're at Northern Illinois or

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or Wisconsin and you're around there

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this is this is an event that you should

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go and attend every single year it's

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right there right each week I get

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invitations to events like this and I

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know they are truly everywhere they're

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everywhere every state we get

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invitations all the time and I'll go and

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I'll look and I just sit there man I

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wish I had the time I wish I could get

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out there and get to these because I

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know how fun they are and what you could

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do I wish I had the the time to attend

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them all but if you have an event in

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your area

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this is what I want you to do post it up

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on Twitter pulse it up on Twitter post

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it in the sandbox

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if you do it'll get a retweet every

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single time I promise you that and if

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you attend an event a local event in

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your area post the pictures of it

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tell us the story get the word out it's

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really cool this is a community

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everybody it's a community it's a family

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and we're here to support in any way

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that we can you know and speaking of

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this community I did want to mention

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this really quick I've gotten a lot of

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email about the lazar film and my

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comments in the show and and my review

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most of it positive I would say that

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nearly everybody agrees with what I have

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said but it's it's kind of weird how its

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generated a little bit of dissension

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amongst the troops and what I mean by

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that is is very simple I've said it over

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and over for years and not only here but

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just this past week and it's either you

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believe Bob or you don't that's it

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that's it the film isn't going to change

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anything for you and and that's it that

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and and everybody out there that is

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pointing out everything on the Lazar

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side for or against whatever it may be

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you're not going to change anybody's

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minds either it's not gonna happen

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I mean I can imagine someone saying

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something like you know men you know uh

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you know they they go and they watch the

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film and they say you know I used to

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think Lazar was full of crap man but

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after watching this I'm all in you know

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Viva little Lazar ain't gonna happen or

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the opposite of that right like I used

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to believe in Bob man but after watching

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the new film I think he's made it all up

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it's not gonna happen neither neither

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statement is going to come from you

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it's not gonna happen

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okay so that's the film the film ain't

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gonna do it no matter what the promises

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are the belief or whatever you think

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it's not going to change people's minds

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it's not going to change yours and you

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are not gonna change somebody else's and

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you're certainly not gonna change mine

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for the record I do believe that Lazar

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made it to area 51

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I can't believe be any more clear than

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that I've said that for years I'm saying

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it now that's my personal belief I

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believe Lazar made it to area 51 now

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what he did there I don't know and

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neither do you

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right I don't know I don't

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I've got his experiences but I don't

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know I don't I hope that everything went

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down the way that he says it did I do

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but then there's the other part which is

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this you know the MIT and the Caltech

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stuff and that's not gonna get answered

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until there are diplomas at a very

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minimum by the way I'm not even sure the

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diplomas would change people's minds or

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mine but but that's it that's it yeah

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and the reason why I say that I don't

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why again I just want to be very very

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clear here Lazar made it to area 51

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Lazar probably worked at Los Alamos what

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he did at Los Alamos I don't know I

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don't know I haven't seen anything but

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that's it okay but when it comes to

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education

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you can't take everyone at their word

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when it comes to this kind of stuff

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because if we all did well everyone

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would have gone to Yale Harvard MIT

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Caltech that's it so that's why there

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are diplomas okay so if you're gonna say

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it you back it up that's it no diploma

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you didn't go that's all so I wish you

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would just come clean about it maybe his

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memories been messed with I don't know

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what it is but no diploma he didn't go

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I can't go into an employer and tell him

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I went to Caltech and they say where's

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your diploma and I go I don't have it

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well you know and that's the truth and

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that's that's it and there are certain

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standards that we need to hold ourselves

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all to so with that just watch the movie

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or not right that's it either way it's

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not a life-changing event all right

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think about that watch the film okay

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don't expect anything to just don't just

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watch the film you'll come out of the

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other side without a scratch I promise

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and just leave it at that okay don't

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expect to get your mind changed either

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way that's not what this film was for

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this is fade to black I am your host Jim

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Peters tonight very special guest

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independent filmmaker Mark Borchardt is

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here we're gonna discuss his new film

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the dundee project about the UFO Days

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Festival up in Dundee Wisconsin and then

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want to remind everybody tomorrow night

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army off Jimmy Church tonight mark

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Borchardt is here he is here is in the

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batter's box

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tomorrow night's Fator night open lines

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Tracy Harris is going to be here with

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divine frequency on the airwaves and

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also I want to remind everybody fast

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start diet I'm going to be giving away

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three of those tomorrow night on the

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show and we're at the premiere for Bob

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Lazar on Monday night in downtown Los

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Angeles and one of the cool things I

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love hanging out with all the fan and

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all the friends and all of that man it's

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just great but they have all of you come

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up to me one after another go hey church

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man you look pretty good well you know

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it's not me I didn't do it fast start

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diet it really I'm serious and that's

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that's it there's nothing special

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special about it that's it that's how I

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did it and we're gonna give away three

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of those tomorrow night on the show

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tonight it's mark Borchardt he is a

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Milwaukee filmmaker screenwriter

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playwright his latest film the Dundee

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project which I watched today and we've

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got all of the links up for the film

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over on the website we've got him up in

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Twitter too as well recently screened at

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Slamdance as well as the opening night

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gala for the Wisconsin Film Festival as

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it continues a burgeoning run of

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festivals around the country he's also

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had three of his recent plays produced

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and/or read at Milwaukee's Village

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Playhouse and Samuel French right here

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in Los Angeles his upcoming film

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projects include transference and acid

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killer chicks that sounds like something

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I want to see his latest film is called

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the Dundee project and it's about the

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UFO Days Festival up in Dundee Wisconsin

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and I would like to welcome for the

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first time right here to fade to black

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mark Borchardt mark good evening how are

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00:35:53,790 --> 00:35:51,520
you hey good evening Jimmy how am i well

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I'm alive I have my help and that is a

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good thing and you know you have your

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thoughts in your well-being

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so you can't beat that with a stick no

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00:36:06,330 --> 00:36:02,830
that's you're exactly right on that and

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before we get started you get the first

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time guest disclaimer mark so let me get

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that out of the way so we can move on

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and it goes like this mark it's just you

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and I sitting on my couch having a

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conversation as friends and where the

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00:36:22,890 --> 00:36:21,010
conversation starts it starts where it

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00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:22,900
ends it ends but we're gonna end his

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00:36:29,460 --> 00:36:24,610
friends there you go

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00:36:33,690 --> 00:36:29,470
you ready well your check this out

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00:36:40,430 --> 00:36:33,700
couple things about you which I really

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00:36:46,610 --> 00:36:40,440
enjoy one you you you let us know that

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00:36:55,700 --> 00:36:51,300
right there's that part and then when

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you engage with people and your

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00:37:03,690 --> 00:37:00,040
conversations start you you continue

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00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:03,700
with the chitchat you enjoy engaging but

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00:37:09,330 --> 00:37:06,850
then there's the chitchat part that is

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00:37:11,310 --> 00:37:09,340
not part of you and it kind of pulls

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00:37:14,460 --> 00:37:11,320
against each other and then I want to

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00:37:17,430 --> 00:37:14,470
add a third part to this what's your

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00:37:20,730 --> 00:37:17,440
answer you have a fantastic radio show

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00:37:23,820 --> 00:37:20,740
man you do and it's yes and I'm a

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00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:23,830
fireside and and I've listened to so

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00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:26,050
much of it and what I enjoy about this

741
00:37:32,670 --> 00:37:29,050
show is you turn on the microphone and

742
00:37:34,590 --> 00:37:32,680
you let er rip tater chip and so for

743
00:37:37,260 --> 00:37:34,600
somebody that doesn't like chitchat you

744
00:37:39,210 --> 00:37:37,270
really like to talk and you've got this

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knowledge that you share with everybody

746
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:42,190
so it's kind of a yin-yang thing going

747
00:37:47,460 --> 00:37:43,930
on now I'm confronting you with this

748
00:37:49,470 --> 00:37:47,470
what do you think about that well it's

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productive cuz I only do like about a 10

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00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:51,730
minute monologue and then I've exhausted

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so I can't play upon your ambitions in

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that respect but then if there's

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something interesting and discuss that

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00:38:07,500 --> 00:38:02,530
truly you know enlivens

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the spirit I'm totally down the the

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other thing that you do and I really

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enjoy this

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is and and feel free to do this at any

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00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:16,530
point tonight turn the show is that you

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when you engage with either fans or

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audience or the press or television you

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00:38:30,270 --> 00:38:27,910
know you do you will answer a question

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with a question and and that is

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00:38:35,309 --> 00:38:32,230
something that is a pretty endearing

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quality but it's interesting how you can

766
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get the reactions from the people that

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00:38:43,290 --> 00:38:41,410
you are engaging with in doing that is

768
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that some do you do that just like in

769
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everyday life is is that or is that

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something that you just you know save

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for the public no I think again like I

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said I think there is a certain amount

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of empathy and intelligence

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it's an admixture I think of those two

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essential elements and again like I say

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the the idea of small talk so local it's

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going to elevate that marginality into

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00:39:16,020 --> 00:39:13,690
something potentially greater would be

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the mission in conversation if that

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00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:18,930
helps and do you find that sometimes

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because I totally understand what you're

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saying and then there's the other part

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00:39:33,210 --> 00:39:29,319
the other part of that is sometimes

784
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people just want to have that contact

785
00:39:39,510 --> 00:39:35,290
and they don't know another way to go

786
00:39:41,579 --> 00:39:39,520
about it other than the chit chat and if

787
00:39:43,230 --> 00:39:41,589
you and if you don't do that you're

788
00:39:50,910 --> 00:39:43,240
gonna break hearts and you don't want to

789
00:39:53,010 --> 00:39:50,920
break hearts do you anyway yeah what I'm

790
00:39:56,789 --> 00:39:53,020
saying is yeah of course if you you you

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engage people in amicable fashion but

792
00:40:01,049 --> 00:39:58,869
what I'm saying is you can't let it go

793
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:01,059
on and it's like drinking water I mean

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00:40:05,700 --> 00:40:02,530
you can drink a glass of water at a time

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but not 128 ounces if that's gonna kill

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00:40:12,750 --> 00:40:07,960
you so it has to be within a reasonable

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00:40:16,230 --> 00:40:12,760
motor home of Reason ability and with

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00:40:21,329 --> 00:40:16,240
that everything that I just said is who

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00:40:23,730 --> 00:40:21,339
you are you you have stuck to yourself

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you I I haven't seen you change over the

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00:40:28,210 --> 00:40:24,950
years who are you

802
00:40:33,579 --> 00:40:28,220
you are independent fiercely independent

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00:40:34,630 --> 00:40:33,589
and you just depend on yourself and I

804
00:40:38,410 --> 00:40:34,640
respect that

805
00:40:41,530 --> 00:40:38,420
so much but it's tough these days to

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make to be independent and certainly an

807
00:40:50,020 --> 00:40:44,089
independent filmmaker how do you manage

808
00:40:54,250 --> 00:40:50,030
to get it done it's not that independent

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00:40:57,069 --> 00:40:54,260
man I've got a partner who's very very

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strong and very very very supportive and

811
00:41:01,390 --> 00:40:58,070
so on and so forth

812
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:01,400
second of all I mean if you focus on

813
00:41:06,819 --> 00:41:03,290
what you're doing to a degree or

814
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:06,829
whatever you're going to get a certain

815
00:41:12,849 --> 00:41:10,010
amount of return from that focus you

816
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:12,859
know and you know it's how do you spend

817
00:41:17,260 --> 00:41:15,170
you know the bulk of your day you know

818
00:41:19,150 --> 00:41:17,270
that's what's something to question so I

819
00:41:22,390 --> 00:41:19,160
mean it's only hard if you make it hard

820
00:41:25,690 --> 00:41:22,400
and it's very psychologically hard to

821
00:41:27,910 --> 00:41:25,700
get attune to something that 98% of the

822
00:41:30,240 --> 00:41:27,920
people could care less about so you have

823
00:41:33,250 --> 00:41:30,250
all of these exterior elements always

824
00:41:36,579 --> 00:41:33,260
pulling you away from your inner core so

825
00:41:39,130 --> 00:41:36,589
you have that tension that struggle on a

826
00:41:41,730 --> 00:41:39,140
minute-by-minute basis that minute by

827
00:41:45,010 --> 00:41:41,740
minute day by day I should say I'm sure

828
00:41:47,559 --> 00:41:45,020
they're know because people people go

829
00:41:50,470 --> 00:41:47,569
where the rivers run easiest essentially

830
00:41:53,339 --> 00:41:50,480
when you are doing your thing you know

831
00:41:57,870 --> 00:41:53,349
you have you're out on your own

832
00:42:00,819 --> 00:41:57,880
essentially well and there's there's

833
00:42:03,390 --> 00:42:00,829
something else here that I want the

834
00:42:08,710 --> 00:42:03,400
audience really to be aware of is that

835
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:08,720
you don't waste I should say or spend or

836
00:42:13,540 --> 00:42:11,690
waste your time with needless things and

837
00:42:15,190 --> 00:42:13,550
you've expressed this a lot over the

838
00:42:18,460 --> 00:42:15,200
years you know I'm talking about

839
00:42:22,839 --> 00:42:18,470
television or distractions and and stuff

840
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:22,849
you are writing constantly you're

841
00:42:26,170 --> 00:42:24,530
looking at yourself you're trying to

842
00:42:29,470 --> 00:42:26,180
improve your productions you're reading

843
00:42:31,630 --> 00:42:29,480
scripts is is that your hobby are you

844
00:42:34,420 --> 00:42:31,640
reading and studying other filmmakers

845
00:42:36,250 --> 00:42:34,430
and the art of film and constantly

846
00:42:37,060 --> 00:42:36,260
trying to prove yourself and not worried

847
00:42:38,860 --> 00:42:37,070
about

848
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:38,870
you know the distractions that are

849
00:42:43,870 --> 00:42:42,290
around you yeah I don't know if I have

850
00:42:46,570 --> 00:42:43,880
any hobbies I don't think I have the

851
00:42:49,690 --> 00:42:46,580
time for that that's been just by my

852
00:42:52,090 --> 00:42:49,700
nature I study every day that's that's

853
00:42:53,890 --> 00:42:52,100
what I've done in my entire life I read

854
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:53,900
every day I write every day

855
00:42:58,660 --> 00:42:55,970
I think critically every day and that's

856
00:43:02,290 --> 00:42:58,670
just the way it's always been so yeah

857
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:02,300
there's no I don't I don't I don't know

858
00:43:08,470 --> 00:43:04,130
if any hobbies or anything yeah it's

859
00:43:11,350 --> 00:43:08,480
that just not part of who I am there I

860
00:43:13,030 --> 00:43:11,360
think there's one hobby and and I'm

861
00:43:16,060 --> 00:43:13,040
gonna ask you about this I say I don't

862
00:43:19,690 --> 00:43:16,070
even know but a couple of times

863
00:43:21,310 --> 00:43:19,700
I heard you reference music and

864
00:43:23,110 --> 00:43:21,320
instruments and in fact he called an

865
00:43:27,070 --> 00:43:23,120
interview or one you asked him if he was

866
00:43:28,900 --> 00:43:27,080
a bass player right you probably don't

867
00:43:33,250 --> 00:43:28,910
remember that but I thought to myself

868
00:43:34,060 --> 00:43:33,260
AHA Borchardt is a guitar player he's a

869
00:43:43,470 --> 00:43:34,070
musician

870
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:43,480
understand the functionality of you know

871
00:43:49,210 --> 00:43:46,610
the narrative chord families to a great

872
00:43:51,790 --> 00:43:49,220
extent and could play in public with

873
00:43:55,060 --> 00:43:51,800
confidence make an income from it so on

874
00:43:57,400 --> 00:43:55,070
and so forth I do play the guitar I do

875
00:43:59,830 --> 00:43:57,410
to do music but that's that's for my

876
00:44:03,910 --> 00:43:59,840
Bible I did it for the Dundee project

877
00:44:07,570 --> 00:44:03,920
and we'll do it for upcoming films but

878
00:44:09,550 --> 00:44:07,580
no I'm not a musician but I do play okay

879
00:44:10,990 --> 00:44:09,560
before one last question and we'll get

880
00:44:14,620 --> 00:44:11,000
off the music subject what kind of

881
00:44:18,790 --> 00:44:14,630
guitar do you have the electric survivor

882
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:18,800
nez the acoustics are alvarez's and then

883
00:44:27,220 --> 00:44:24,410
I've got a 3/4 oscar schmidt and uh like

884
00:44:29,500 --> 00:44:27,230
some other stuff here too so yeah I knew

885
00:44:31,750 --> 00:44:29,510
it okay they're being ones and Ibanez

886
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:31,760
electric and alvarez's on the acoustic

887
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:34,010
yeah right out man I knew it I know it

888
00:44:39,940 --> 00:44:36,650
okay we'll get off of that a couple of

889
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:39,950
quick questions these are just for me

890
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:43,010
I was listening your audience and well

891
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:44,930
see that's the thing it's just you nice

892
00:44:51,190 --> 00:44:46,370
it

893
00:44:53,950 --> 00:44:51,200
Yeah right so but this is for me I'm a

894
00:44:57,340 --> 00:44:53,960
big film guy I well I'd like to think

895
00:45:02,500 --> 00:44:57,350
that I study and and I enjoy but I have

896
00:45:05,980 --> 00:45:02,510
my favorites and for you do you have a

897
00:45:07,810 --> 00:45:05,990
director that has guided you where you

898
00:45:10,420 --> 00:45:07,820
went you know what he frames right this

899
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:10,430
this guy he's got the right editing I

900
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:12,170
like what he's doing was there a

901
00:45:21,430 --> 00:45:18,290
director that influenced you well I I

902
00:45:24,700 --> 00:45:21,440
what I do original I just I just I

903
00:45:26,980 --> 00:45:24,710
really am NOT into that I yeah I just

904
00:45:29,290 --> 00:45:26,990
don't I'm not into that copycat thing

905
00:45:31,030 --> 00:45:29,300
I've just never did that with my writing

906
00:45:34,690 --> 00:45:31,040
with my filming with music or anything I

907
00:45:38,100 --> 00:45:34,700
just I just don't do that but filmmakers

908
00:45:40,570 --> 00:45:38,110
that I do admire the essential ones are

909
00:45:42,610 --> 00:45:40,580
Reynolds and Birdman they're like right

910
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:42,620
at the top of lists of the list and then

911
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:46,970
there's Hertzog and Fassbender dryer and

912
00:45:55,630 --> 00:45:52,370
tony on e premiere i mean it just goes

913
00:45:58,300 --> 00:45:55,640
on and on so yeah that's those but yeah

914
00:45:59,890 --> 00:45:58,310
Birdman and wealth and Hertzog and that

915
00:46:04,300 --> 00:45:59,900
definitely her at the top of the list

916
00:46:07,510 --> 00:46:04,310
when you do you do you pay attention or

917
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:07,520
go to any of the big-budget films or is

918
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:09,890
that something that isn't important to

919
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:12,770
you know what's what's important to me

920
00:46:20,380 --> 00:46:18,410
is to go to to go to films and receive

921
00:46:22,570 --> 00:46:20,390
knowledge and inspiration that last

922
00:46:27,310 --> 00:46:22,580
night I was blessed with a 35-millimeter

923
00:46:34,180 --> 00:46:27,320
print device why Chuck a beautiful

924
00:46:35,860 --> 00:46:34,190
big-screen screening of I am Cuba I'd

925
00:46:38,380 --> 00:46:35,870
seen that before but never had the big

926
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:38,390
screen from 64 memories of Wonders

927
00:46:44,590 --> 00:46:41,330
development from 68 these are soulless

928
00:46:47,410 --> 00:46:44,600
miss those three recent films means so

929
00:46:50,170 --> 00:46:47,420
much to me I am Cuba memories of under

930
00:46:53,530 --> 00:46:50,180
development and eyes wide shut

931
00:46:57,580 --> 00:46:53,540
just stunning impact on my psyche Wow

932
00:46:59,650 --> 00:46:57,590
and to see to see Eyes Wide Shut 35

933
00:47:03,279 --> 00:46:59,660
millimeter

934
00:47:05,529 --> 00:47:03,289
that that must have been pretty cool do

935
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:05,539
you think okay and then we'll get off of

936
00:47:11,140 --> 00:47:08,210
eyes wide shut but I've seen well we

937
00:47:14,890 --> 00:47:11,150
didn't dulled see I'm so with you on

938
00:47:18,099 --> 00:47:14,900
that I'm so with you do you okay okay

939
00:47:22,930 --> 00:47:18,109
let's let's join hips do you think that

940
00:47:25,749 --> 00:47:22,940
the film was completed that's ridiculous

941
00:47:28,170 --> 00:47:25,759
because it's like talking about the

942
00:47:31,059 --> 00:47:28,180
Magnificent Ambersons you know how was

943
00:47:35,349 --> 00:47:31,069
it she chopped in chopped and chopped

944
00:47:37,630 --> 00:47:35,359
you know Welles his second film and

945
00:47:40,089 --> 00:47:37,640
here's the thing he never topped out at

946
00:47:44,019 --> 00:47:40,099
Magnificent Ambersons he was called to

947
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:44,029
South America by the US government for

948
00:47:48,519 --> 00:47:46,130
public relations to film down there so

949
00:47:50,170 --> 00:47:48,529
he never abandoned the project and they

950
00:47:51,430 --> 00:47:50,180
said well what Rawls would have would

951
00:47:52,839 --> 00:47:51,440
have caught it it would have been great

952
00:47:54,220 --> 00:47:52,849
well no it wouldn't have been great

953
00:47:56,859 --> 00:47:54,230
because if you look at a lot of the

954
00:47:58,870 --> 00:47:56,869
footage it's just not that good so it's

955
00:48:02,019 --> 00:47:58,880
like you don't even want more so it's

956
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:02,029
the Magnificent Ambersons is awash it's

957
00:48:07,539 --> 00:48:03,890
wide shut I think he basically had the

958
00:48:09,940 --> 00:48:07,549
film done and it's in in style so there

959
00:48:12,519 --> 00:48:09,950
there's nothing that's going to

960
00:48:13,839 --> 00:48:12,529
contribute to it in any editorial form

961
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:13,849
that's going to make it any better

962
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:17,210
Eyes Wide Shut is complete now I agree

963
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:20,210
with the editing okay and and when I

964
00:48:27,039 --> 00:48:23,210
hear those critics say that that Stanley

965
00:48:31,089 --> 00:48:27,049
would you know that the edits weren't

966
00:48:33,940 --> 00:48:31,099
quite fine-tuned as he would have wanted

967
00:48:37,059 --> 00:48:33,950
in the final and and I I disagree with

968
00:48:39,460 --> 00:48:37,069
that but I do agree with them with the

969
00:48:42,099 --> 00:48:39,470
the composition of the soundtrack and

970
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:42,109
some of the audio wasn't up to the

971
00:48:50,140 --> 00:48:44,690
standards of everything that he had done

972
00:48:53,859 --> 00:48:50,150
prior no that's completely ridiculous I

973
00:48:56,470 --> 00:48:53,869
see he's got the only 13 films I've seen

974
00:48:58,150 --> 00:48:56,480
them all and there's there's nothing

975
00:49:00,130 --> 00:48:58,160
more or less about that that that

976
00:49:02,739 --> 00:49:00,140
soundtracks immaculate I mean unless

977
00:49:05,109 --> 00:49:02,749
somebody could make specific provable

978
00:49:07,359 --> 00:49:05,119
comparison citizens there's just no way

979
00:49:09,249 --> 00:49:07,369
that makes sense see and that's what I

980
00:49:12,220 --> 00:49:09,259
enjoy about your mark you're gonna stick

981
00:49:19,329 --> 00:49:14,980
guess what the emperor has no clothes

982
00:49:21,310 --> 00:49:19,339
have you seen that movie it's a film

983
00:49:26,130 --> 00:49:21,320
yeah there's there's a documentary out

984
00:49:28,329 --> 00:49:26,140
ok that's a whole that's a Russell Brand

985
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:28,339
documentary that a couple of years ago

986
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:34,490
now getting back to what is happening

987
00:49:41,410 --> 00:49:39,050
today when it comes to the the modern

988
00:49:43,630 --> 00:49:41,420
parts of cinema it seems like and this

989
00:49:49,390 --> 00:49:43,640
is my little segue into the UFO subject

990
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:49,400
it seems that Hollywood now has morphed

991
00:49:55,510 --> 00:49:53,570
into this if you want to film project

992
00:49:57,579 --> 00:49:55,520
greenlight it if you want the budget and

993
00:50:00,099 --> 00:49:57,589
you want the ticket sales you make an

994
00:50:02,980 --> 00:50:00,109
alien invasion movie right you do it

995
00:50:04,300 --> 00:50:02,990
seems like a few come out every single

996
00:50:08,109 --> 00:50:04,310
week and they're in constant production

997
00:50:11,020 --> 00:50:08,119
out here what do you think is going on

998
00:50:14,950 --> 00:50:11,030
with that where Hollywood has no issues

999
00:50:19,690 --> 00:50:14,960
with cranking these these alien invasion

1000
00:50:22,240 --> 00:50:19,700
films I mean one after another well you

1001
00:50:24,430 --> 00:50:22,250
must be privy to a lot of alien invasion

1002
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:24,440
films like I haven't heard of any

1003
00:50:33,010 --> 00:50:27,650
brought up what obviously out there it's

1004
00:50:37,089 --> 00:50:33,020
it's to make these films with you based

1005
00:50:39,430 --> 00:50:37,099
upon short term high interest loans that

1006
00:50:42,930 --> 00:50:39,440
they need to pay back pretty quickly to

1007
00:50:45,430 --> 00:50:42,940
the bank and so whatever is going to

1008
00:50:47,710 --> 00:50:45,440
create collective hysteria and the

1009
00:50:51,069 --> 00:50:47,720
ticket buying audience that's what they

1010
00:50:53,319 --> 00:50:51,079
have to go for you know it's it's a it's

1011
00:50:56,620 --> 00:50:53,329
an economic gamble with a lot of

1012
00:51:01,210 --> 00:50:56,630
people's money with those films out

1013
00:51:04,660 --> 00:51:01,220
there yeah and it feels to me sometimes

1014
00:51:07,359 --> 00:51:04,670
mark that there seems to be some kind of

1015
00:51:10,150 --> 00:51:07,369
underlying message here we all know that

1016
00:51:13,329 --> 00:51:10,160
we're not alone in this universe right

1017
00:51:16,540 --> 00:51:13,339
and and we know that but it seems like

1018
00:51:18,940 --> 00:51:16,550
they're trying to acclimate humanity

1019
00:51:21,339 --> 00:51:18,950
right it's like they're trying to get

1020
00:51:24,700 --> 00:51:21,349
some kind of strange message across so

1021
00:51:28,059 --> 00:51:24,710
that if something crazy I were the alien

1022
00:51:31,210 --> 00:51:28,069
or both right or both correct so when it

1023
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:31,220
does happen it's it we're not gonna

1024
00:51:40,030 --> 00:51:34,010
react in a crazy way we're just gonna

1025
00:51:44,380 --> 00:51:40,040
know that this was inevitable okay well

1026
00:51:48,670 --> 00:51:44,390
yeah I think that we become acculturated

1027
00:51:51,069 --> 00:51:48,680
to new things pretty quickly that sets

1028
00:51:53,319 --> 00:51:51,079
in our instincts you all nature so I

1029
00:51:56,740 --> 00:51:53,329
mean your your time to tell me that Los

1030
00:51:59,200 --> 00:51:56,750
Angeles was trying to prepare us to meet

1031
00:52:03,880 --> 00:51:59,210
aliens yeah is that what you're hinting

1032
00:52:07,750 --> 00:52:03,890
at I'm strongly suggesting that yes what

1033
00:52:09,490 --> 00:52:07,760
would a Hollywood executive in Los

1034
00:52:14,140 --> 00:52:09,500
Angeles trying to make his mortgage

1035
00:52:16,420 --> 00:52:14,150
having any interest in Joe Blow being

1036
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:16,430
acclimated to aliens see and that's a

1037
00:52:19,750 --> 00:52:18,530
great question and that's why you're on

1038
00:52:24,069 --> 00:52:19,760
this show because I knew you were gonna

1039
00:52:29,020 --> 00:52:24,079
do this I'll tell you one simple answer

1040
00:52:31,630 --> 00:52:29,030
the CIA's office of entertainment and

1041
00:52:34,720 --> 00:52:31,640
you can go you can go to the CIA's

1042
00:52:38,170 --> 00:52:34,730
website and you can look it up and you

1043
00:52:40,990 --> 00:52:38,180
can see their agenda and how they work

1044
00:52:42,970 --> 00:52:41,000
closely with Hollywood to make sure that

1045
00:52:44,620 --> 00:52:42,980
their message is delivered and it's

1046
00:52:47,500 --> 00:52:44,630
right there as a matter of fact they're

1047
00:52:50,859 --> 00:52:47,510
hiring you can go there right now and

1048
00:52:52,660 --> 00:52:50,869
apply for a job and they're probably a

1049
00:52:55,870 --> 00:52:52,670
pretty good tension involved yeah either

1050
00:52:58,420 --> 00:52:55,880
probably is you know and they're there

1051
00:53:02,500 --> 00:52:58,430
has been many examples mark over the

1052
00:53:05,770 --> 00:53:02,510
years of the CIA getting scripts in

1053
00:53:07,539 --> 00:53:05,780
advance altering those scripts sending

1054
00:53:12,849 --> 00:53:07,549
them back to Hollywood and that's what

1055
00:53:15,819 --> 00:53:12,859
made it to the final cut I'm speechless

1056
00:53:18,579 --> 00:53:15,829
but yeah I know I yeah I don't know I'm

1057
00:53:21,220 --> 00:53:18,589
I'm not in the CIA offices that I'm not

1058
00:53:23,770 --> 00:53:21,230
in Los Angeles the offices of production

1059
00:53:26,319 --> 00:53:23,780
company so I wouldn't know but it sounds

1060
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:26,329
pretty abstract but you know maybe

1061
00:53:32,230 --> 00:53:28,490
that's the spice of life altogether who

1062
00:53:35,500 --> 00:53:32,240
knows now the like I said this is my

1063
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:35,510
segue when we come to something like the

1064
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:37,370
dundee project and

1065
00:53:42,490 --> 00:53:40,490
most that would watch this film would

1066
00:53:44,710 --> 00:53:42,500
assume a couple of things and the first

1067
00:53:47,350 --> 00:53:44,720
thing is you just went out there and

1068
00:53:50,590 --> 00:53:47,360
shot this and and came back but this

1069
00:53:53,140 --> 00:53:50,600
this was a few years in the making this

1070
00:53:57,700 --> 00:53:53,150
wasn't something that was just decided

1071
00:54:02,610 --> 00:53:57,710
on a whim was it it was decided on a

1072
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:02,620
whim I went out there and like I say I I

1073
00:54:06,730 --> 00:54:03,770
can't

1074
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engage in small talk after five minutes

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00:54:11,290 --> 00:54:09,200
I start to go bonkers it's a beautiful

1076
00:54:14,110 --> 00:54:11,300
country up there so I brought my camera

1077
00:54:16,060 --> 00:54:14,120
equipment and you know how you do and

1078
00:54:18,460 --> 00:54:16,070
you know oh yeah you gotta you know this

1079
00:54:21,430 --> 00:54:18,470
and then I'm still okay and then I take

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00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:21,440
the tripod start filming the beautiful

1081
00:54:28,300 --> 00:54:24,890
baby grass and the sunlight the water

1082
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:28,310
the rippling sparkling water and so

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00:54:33,550 --> 00:54:31,450
that's what I just did it on a whim and

1084
00:54:36,250 --> 00:54:33,560
throughout the years follow these

1085
00:54:38,350 --> 00:54:36,260
interesting people who had great

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00:54:40,630 --> 00:54:38,360
presence on camera and started

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00:54:42,550 --> 00:54:40,640
interviewing them and talking with them

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00:54:46,180 --> 00:54:42,560
and that's how it came about on a whim

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00:54:49,090 --> 00:54:46,190
did you what what made you aware of UFO

1090
00:54:53,860 --> 00:54:49,100
days did you have an interesting follow

1091
00:54:57,310 --> 00:54:53,870
G before that well there's two parts to

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00:55:01,840 --> 00:54:57,320
that the specific way that I found out

1093
00:55:05,850 --> 00:55:01,850
about that when I did waste some of my

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00:55:08,230 --> 00:55:05,860
god-given precious time here on earth

1095
00:55:11,950 --> 00:55:08,240
occasionally in front of a television

1096
00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:11,960
screen going through all that garbage I

1097
00:55:18,340 --> 00:55:15,170
came across a I came across a channel

1098
00:55:20,710 --> 00:55:18,350
that Olson was talking about some UFO

1099
00:55:24,250 --> 00:55:20,720
event and it happened to be in Wisconsin

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00:55:26,020 --> 00:55:24,260
in Dundee I said oh my gosh man it right

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00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:26,030
where I live you know up the way and

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00:55:34,450 --> 00:55:30,490
that's how I became aware of it and yeah

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00:55:37,750 --> 00:55:34,460
yeah yeah no you go ahead I'm sorry and

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00:55:40,810 --> 00:55:37,760
then part two yeah I grew up in the 70s

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00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:40,820
where there was a an exhibit embellished

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00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:43,610
interest in the occult Leonard Nimoy

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00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:49,210
would it's great show obviously and then

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00:55:53,260 --> 00:55:51,410
UFOs Bigfoot

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00:55:57,609 --> 00:55:53,270
nuta triangle the Loch Ness monster

1110
00:55:59,890 --> 00:55:57,619
those four things were in the collective

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00:56:03,789 --> 00:55:59,900
mentality in the right guys at that

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00:56:06,660 --> 00:56:03,799
point in America in the 70s I know that

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00:56:13,140 --> 00:56:06,670
that culture surrounded you of interest

1114
00:56:16,870 --> 00:56:13,150
and how far is Dundee from Milwaukee

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00:56:19,599 --> 00:56:16,880
it's about what an hour it's about an

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00:56:23,049 --> 00:56:19,609
hour drive walk north and were you

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00:56:28,690 --> 00:56:23,059
surprised to find out when you got there

1118
00:56:30,130 --> 00:56:28,700
that Dundee it's it's not a UFO festival

1119
00:56:32,710 --> 00:56:30,140
that was put together because some

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people had interest in UFOs they got

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00:56:38,380 --> 00:56:34,819
together because they are getting

1122
00:56:39,940 --> 00:56:38,390
visited cut graphs that are coming down

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00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:39,950
to the leg to the mountain there hanging

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00:56:45,279 --> 00:56:42,410
out flying over you know and and that's

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00:56:49,450 --> 00:56:45,289
from what is going on there right in the

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00:56:52,180 --> 00:56:49,460
middle of Wisconsin right I mean yeah

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00:56:54,520 --> 00:56:52,190
there are some individuals who believe

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that that that's what's going on and

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00:56:59,890 --> 00:56:57,680
it's just a centripetal and you know

1130
00:57:02,859 --> 00:56:59,900
they believe they're aliens and go

1131
00:57:04,240 --> 00:57:02,869
visiting ships so on and so forth and

1132
00:57:07,539 --> 00:57:04,250
you know that's their prerogative

1133
00:57:09,849 --> 00:57:07,549
whatever their mental mental state is

1134
00:57:13,599 --> 00:57:09,859
that brings them to that perception god

1135
00:57:16,599 --> 00:57:13,609
bless them but yeah and how many trips

1136
00:57:20,410 --> 00:57:16,609
have you made each year how many times

1137
00:57:23,710 --> 00:57:20,420
have you been back to UFO days know what

1138
00:57:26,410 --> 00:57:23,720
I was going I went maybe I don't even

1139
00:57:29,859 --> 00:57:26,420
know maybe eight nine ten times and it's

1140
00:57:32,859 --> 00:57:29,869
once a year it's like in July correct

1141
00:57:35,109 --> 00:57:32,869
their third Saturday in July how many I

1142
00:57:38,849 --> 00:57:35,119
haven't gone for a while because of my

1143
00:57:40,870 --> 00:57:38,859
mentality I just just Olson I just

1144
00:57:43,690 --> 00:57:40,880
something doesn't exist for me anymore

1145
00:57:46,930 --> 00:57:43,700
so with that Matt had its time and it's

1146
00:57:51,430 --> 00:57:46,940
that time documented in that film now so

1147
00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:51,440
if I decided to go out to UFO days next

1148
00:57:56,950 --> 00:57:54,890
summer would you go with me it's

1149
00:58:00,819 --> 00:57:56,960
possible I don't know exactly what my

1150
00:58:02,859 --> 00:58:00,829
mentality would be so I mean some some

1151
00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:02,869
dudes asked me to go up to Iowa on

1152
00:58:06,270 --> 00:58:04,250
Saturday I said well there buddy there's

1153
00:58:08,910 --> 00:58:06,280
got to be a lot of

1154
00:58:11,130 --> 00:58:08,920
involved to book out the Iowa and a whim

1155
00:58:14,430 --> 00:58:11,140
on Saturday now I'll tell you that

1156
00:58:17,580 --> 00:58:14,440
but the we've got to take a break right

1157
00:58:20,370 --> 00:58:17,590
here but when you go obviously if you

1158
00:58:24,210 --> 00:58:20,380
went eight or nine times you make

1159
00:58:27,510 --> 00:58:24,220
friends right and is UFO Bob still

1160
00:58:28,980 --> 00:58:27,520
around I don't know from what I

1161
00:58:30,630 --> 00:58:28,990
understand he may have went to heaven

1162
00:58:31,230 --> 00:58:30,640
god bless his soul I don't want to say

1163
00:58:33,090 --> 00:58:31,240
for sure

1164
00:58:35,340 --> 00:58:33,100
that's that would be my understanding

1165
00:58:37,770 --> 00:58:35,350
and I don't know if you you do make

1166
00:58:40,770 --> 00:58:37,780
friends but you make more acquaintances

1167
00:58:43,830 --> 00:58:40,780
and friends friends or someone who more

1168
00:58:45,810 --> 00:58:43,840
or less than a regular basis walks the

1169
00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:45,820
same path is new to acquaintance since

1170
00:58:51,810 --> 00:58:49,330
you know I hit miss but I know we have

1171
00:58:54,750 --> 00:58:51,820
to do a break yeah he was quite the

1172
00:58:57,270 --> 00:58:54,760
character and so when we come back we'll

1173
00:58:58,920 --> 00:58:57,280
discuss UFO Bob a little bit and

1174
00:59:01,320 --> 00:58:58,930
everything else that is involved with

1175
00:59:03,930 --> 00:59:01,330
this with this film and we watched it

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00:59:06,090 --> 00:59:03,940
today a few times and the links are up

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over at Jimmy Church radio calm and

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certainly right there in Twitter

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this is fade to black our guest tonight

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Mark Borchardt filmmaker director

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playwright all of that we'll be right

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00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:16,300
back after this short break more with

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Mark Borchardt right after this stay

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with us

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[Applause]

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all right welcome back fade to black I'm

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you'll see me Church the spoke radio for

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the masses on the game changer network

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and kg are a to the planets tonight mark

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borchardt is here filmmaker screenwriter

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01:05:19,250 --> 01:05:16,950
playwright talking about his latest

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01:05:21,410 --> 01:05:19,260
project it is called the dundee project

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it's about the UFO Days Festival up in

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Dundee Wisconsin and it's on the it's on

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the north side of Long Lake and that's

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where this festival takes place and

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before we get back to that mark and and

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UFO Bob who is just as about as

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01:05:45,079 --> 01:05:42,089
cinematic as it gets but before we get

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01:05:50,569 --> 01:05:45,089
back to you of Oh Bob did you have a

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general interest in UFOs or even a step

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past that do you think that we are all

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there is or that the universe is teeming

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with life I have an interest in many

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things like walking reading writing

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etcetera etcetera I don't I don't really

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think about UFOs but I will say that

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said of course there's millions and

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millions and millions of other

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life-forms out there I mean that's

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scientifically just the way it is it's

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not what I think it's you know it's like

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do I think the Sun is you know was

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shining out there somewhere boy what's

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that it's regardless what I think it the

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sun's out there regardless of what I

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think there's millions of variants of

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life-forms out there for sure it has to

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be that way right so you have an open

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mind to this and you're drawn to this

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gathering for whatever those reasons are

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but you're drawn to it and what were

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your expectations in getting there what

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01:07:01,190 --> 01:06:54,740
what did you think you were going to

1337
01:07:03,200 --> 01:07:01,200
experience I just enjoyed the driving up

1338
01:07:04,609 --> 01:07:03,210
there and the beautiful scenery and I'm

1339
01:07:07,220 --> 01:07:04,619
sure it was probably a sunny day it

1340
01:07:09,530 --> 01:07:07,230
usually is at that time of year in the

1341
01:07:12,090 --> 01:07:09,540
middle of summer so I probably wasn't

1342
01:07:13,860 --> 01:07:12,100
thinking about that I was just looking

1343
01:07:17,070 --> 01:07:13,870
at the beautiful grass blue sky the

1344
01:07:20,550 --> 01:07:17,080
green grass all the sights along the way

1345
01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:20,560
and then when I arrived I can to absorb

1346
01:07:26,880 --> 01:07:24,010
what was going on and it was I think it

1347
01:07:28,800 --> 01:07:26,890
was just it was very mystical and very

1348
01:07:30,330 --> 01:07:28,810
dreamlike because you know I live in the

1349
01:07:32,790 --> 01:07:30,340
city right in the middle of the middle

1350
01:07:35,400 --> 01:07:32,800
of the city and to go into the

1351
01:07:37,560 --> 01:07:35,410
hinterlands where there's other people

1352
01:07:40,140 --> 01:07:37,570
you've never seen before another place

1353
01:07:42,990 --> 01:07:40,150
you haven't encountered as of yet it's

1354
01:07:44,250 --> 01:07:43,000
all very wondrous to take in for the

1355
01:07:47,390 --> 01:07:44,260
first time for sure

1356
01:07:49,980 --> 01:07:47,400
and you know everybody's got those

1357
01:07:52,260 --> 01:07:49,990
preconceived notions about these UFO

1358
01:07:56,120 --> 01:07:52,270
conferences right the tinfoil hats and

1359
01:08:01,440 --> 01:07:56,130
the crazies walking around and and

1360
01:08:07,970 --> 01:08:01,450
unstable exactly so is that what you

1361
01:08:14,430 --> 01:08:07,980
encountered yeah I encountered a

1362
01:08:18,000 --> 01:08:14,440
heightened level of fun and engagements

1363
01:08:19,470 --> 01:08:18,010
and enthusiasm and yeah you did you're

1364
01:08:21,840 --> 01:08:19,480
right there's people walking around with

1365
01:08:24,660 --> 01:08:21,850
tin foil tin foil on their heads that

1366
01:08:28,020 --> 01:08:24,670
would be absolutely correct and were you

1367
01:08:30,930 --> 01:08:28,030
okay buddy there you say it like that

1368
01:08:33,990 --> 01:08:30,940
were you okay with that though in that

1369
01:08:37,470 --> 01:08:34,000
with those when you get to a conference

1370
01:08:40,800 --> 01:08:37,480
like that you are around people that are

1371
01:08:42,450 --> 01:08:40,810
okay with no matter the craziest thing

1372
01:08:45,330 --> 01:08:42,460
you could say you're not gonna faze

1373
01:08:49,520 --> 01:08:45,340
somebody right there's nothing that you

1374
01:08:52,080 --> 01:08:49,530
could say to UFO Bob that is going to

1375
01:08:54,960 --> 01:08:52,090
surprise him you know what I mean

1376
01:08:58,410 --> 01:08:54,970
because everybody is is so open-minded

1377
01:09:01,950 --> 01:08:58,420
and accepting because they are there for

1378
01:09:05,580 --> 01:09:01,960
very personal reasons that that for some

1379
01:09:07,860 --> 01:09:05,590
are pretty strange right and if you're

1380
01:09:09,840 --> 01:09:07,870
there for very personal reasons that

1381
01:09:12,599 --> 01:09:09,850
you're probably pretty narrow-minded

1382
01:09:15,090 --> 01:09:12,609
because you have this very specific

1383
01:09:16,650 --> 01:09:15,100
vantage point it's very singular

1384
01:09:19,520 --> 01:09:16,660
perspective that you're going to engage

1385
01:09:22,050 --> 01:09:19,530
in so those people are not open-minded

1386
01:09:23,700 --> 01:09:22,060
like that in any way shape or form

1387
01:09:25,710 --> 01:09:23,710
whatsoever they have their own

1388
01:09:29,100 --> 01:09:25,720
particular agenda

1389
01:09:31,290 --> 01:09:29,110
you you know and you just become

1390
01:09:34,530 --> 01:09:31,300
subservient to that agenda you're not

1391
01:09:36,660 --> 01:09:34,540
there to be a contrary and so yeah well

1392
01:09:42,540 --> 01:09:36,670
that's exactly let them all right right

1393
01:09:45,390 --> 01:09:42,550
and the the conversations usually and

1394
01:09:46,650 --> 01:09:45,400
I'm interested about this for you going

1395
01:09:50,540 --> 01:09:46,660
to something like this for the first

1396
01:09:55,160 --> 01:09:50,550
time is when somebody comes up to you

1397
01:09:57,960 --> 01:09:55,170
they usually want to talk about their

1398
01:09:59,760 --> 01:09:57,970
contact experiences and they're gonna

1399
01:10:03,210 --> 01:09:59,770
ask you about yours

1400
01:10:08,490 --> 01:10:03,220
right did you have experience to share

1401
01:10:13,530 --> 01:10:08,500
with them wasn't about UFOs um yeah no I

1402
01:10:15,900 --> 01:10:13,540
mean it's like you know people they're

1403
01:10:17,670 --> 01:10:15,910
going to do the talking and you're gonna

1404
01:10:20,460 --> 01:10:17,680
do the listening that's that's gonna be

1405
01:10:23,190 --> 01:10:20,470
basically that's gonna be based the

1406
01:10:25,740 --> 01:10:23,200
basic strategy of the day so and you

1407
01:10:27,690 --> 01:10:25,750
know I I know what I know so I don't

1408
01:10:29,780 --> 01:10:27,700
need to hear myself talk I don't know

1409
01:10:34,470 --> 01:10:29,790
what they know so I'll listen to them

1410
01:10:36,680 --> 01:10:34,480
and what was theirs you've been up there

1411
01:10:40,230 --> 01:10:36,690
many times and but

1412
01:10:43,320 --> 01:10:40,240
what was the one experience the the film

1413
01:10:45,260 --> 01:10:43,330
is a short film everyone so and he's you

1414
01:10:48,150 --> 01:10:45,270
know mark spent a lot of time up there

1415
01:10:51,030 --> 01:10:48,160
what was something that you can share

1416
01:10:56,250 --> 01:10:51,040
with us that even you went okay that's

1417
01:10:59,520 --> 01:10:56,260
pretty nuts I know I think actually was

1418
01:11:02,970 --> 01:10:59,530
like the first time I was up there okay

1419
01:11:07,110 --> 01:11:02,980
something there was an incident

1420
01:11:09,840 --> 01:11:07,120
it got on national TV and something like

1421
01:11:11,790 --> 01:11:09,850
that about the UFO sighting actually

1422
01:11:16,710 --> 01:11:11,800
made the papers and so forth

1423
01:11:21,090 --> 01:11:16,720
and I remember we were awesome in a

1424
01:11:23,580 --> 01:11:21,100
caravan of cars at the end of the short

1425
01:11:27,180 --> 01:11:23,590
or end of the night so night or whatever

1426
01:11:29,670 --> 01:11:27,190
so to speak and I don't know how we did

1427
01:11:32,520 --> 01:11:29,680
it in the dark but somebody was like

1428
01:11:35,220 --> 01:11:32,530
leading this caravan of cars attract on

1429
01:11:37,980 --> 01:11:35,230
the UFO and oh there was something you

1430
01:11:39,240 --> 01:11:37,990
know like I said that national news and

1431
01:11:41,160 --> 01:11:39,250
all that stuff and

1432
01:11:44,250 --> 01:11:41,170
I don't know how we did it I think we

1433
01:11:47,810 --> 01:11:44,260
got to some end of some field or in some

1434
01:11:51,270 --> 01:11:47,820
field or something and found these uh

1435
01:11:53,700 --> 01:11:51,280
he's uh what are those tiny floating

1436
01:11:55,890 --> 01:11:53,710
Chinese lanterns or something like that

1437
01:11:57,500 --> 01:11:55,900
you know it was pretty incredible I

1438
01:11:59,640 --> 01:11:57,510
don't I don't know how in the dark

1439
01:12:01,860 --> 01:11:59,650
driving in car if they actually follow

1440
01:12:04,050 --> 01:12:01,870
where these things landed but yeah I

1441
01:12:06,120 --> 01:12:04,060
think we did so yet out that was a

1442
01:12:07,530 --> 01:12:06,130
pretty I think was that was the first

1443
01:12:10,320 --> 01:12:07,540
time I was out there it was tied at the

1444
01:12:14,070 --> 01:12:10,330
newspaper sighting then we find these

1445
01:12:15,660 --> 01:12:14,080
flying roman candle balloons or

1446
01:12:17,910 --> 01:12:15,670
something like that it was a pretty

1447
01:12:19,350 --> 01:12:17,920
incredible way to kick that off I think

1448
01:12:21,060 --> 01:12:19,360
that may have been the very first time

1449
01:12:27,510 --> 01:12:21,070
being up there that was that was bizarre

1450
01:12:31,110 --> 01:12:27,520
tell us about UFO Bob the yeah just tell

1451
01:12:33,150 --> 01:12:31,120
us about him he he he's he's pretty I

1452
01:12:38,630 --> 01:12:33,160
can't think of another word except for

1453
01:12:43,050 --> 01:12:41,190
well it's a small area that you're

1454
01:12:44,850 --> 01:12:43,060
dealing with the bar and the landing and

1455
01:12:46,470 --> 01:12:44,860
so on and so forth and somebody probably

1456
01:12:48,540 --> 01:12:46,480
said hey there's you a full bob you

1457
01:12:50,340 --> 01:12:48,550
should go interview him I mean you could

1458
01:12:52,350 --> 01:12:50,350
see that dynamic that's simple dynamic

1459
01:12:55,260 --> 01:12:52,360
dynamic play out and that's all y'all

1460
01:12:58,310 --> 01:12:55,270
would happen and you know I asked him

1461
01:13:01,860 --> 01:12:58,320
then to be on camera and you know it's a

1462
01:13:06,030 --> 01:13:01,870
cantankerous and we up to you know go

1463
01:13:09,480 --> 01:13:06,040
with his flow yeah he is the galvanizing

1464
01:13:13,140 --> 01:13:09,490
force of the affording answer he is the

1465
01:13:17,270 --> 01:13:13,150
nexus of this non illogical so he is

1466
01:13:19,770 --> 01:13:17,280
that that galvanizing power that people

1467
01:13:23,880 --> 01:13:19,780
you know adheres themselves to and I

1468
01:13:26,070 --> 01:13:23,890
remember one time a trail of drunkards

1469
01:13:28,470 --> 01:13:26,080
following him like he was viewing the

1470
01:13:30,540 --> 01:13:28,480
gospel and he's drunk tripping over

1471
01:13:31,770 --> 01:13:30,550
themselves trying to keep up with him

1472
01:13:34,380 --> 01:13:31,780
and I think he's waving around a

1473
01:13:36,360 --> 01:13:34,390
flashlight it was yeah it was pretty

1474
01:13:38,820 --> 01:13:36,370
pretty fun I would have to say that

1475
01:13:42,300 --> 01:13:38,830
that's what little pilot one of those

1476
01:13:44,580 --> 01:13:42,310
points for sure as a filmmaker how cool

1477
01:13:48,690 --> 01:13:44,590
is it to be able to get a personality

1478
01:13:51,150 --> 01:13:48,700
like that in front of the camera oh yeah

1479
01:13:52,980 --> 01:13:51,160
it's pretty cool because you know it

1480
01:13:55,350 --> 01:13:52,990
when you got it and you did

1481
01:13:58,530 --> 01:13:55,360
know that that footage is going to be

1482
01:14:00,300 --> 01:13:58,540
gold so it's it's a great moment when

1483
01:14:03,300 --> 01:14:00,310
you you know you've locked into

1484
01:14:05,490 --> 01:14:03,310
something like that and yeah because as

1485
01:14:07,950 --> 01:14:05,500
a as a filmmaker you know that's your

1486
01:14:10,320 --> 01:14:07,960
goal but does it also take the pressure

1487
01:14:12,330 --> 01:14:10,330
off right you're not gonna have to push

1488
01:14:15,270 --> 01:14:12,340
this you're not gonna maybe not even

1489
01:14:18,420 --> 01:14:15,280
have to direct right all you have to do

1490
01:14:22,260 --> 01:14:18,430
is is make sure you capture it is that

1491
01:14:24,690 --> 01:14:22,270
is that where you're coming from yeah

1492
01:14:29,220 --> 01:14:24,700
exactly like I say I mean it's just what

1493
01:14:31,650 --> 01:14:29,230
he has to say just plays out oh man we

1494
01:14:35,730 --> 01:14:31,660
just lost mark okay

1495
01:14:37,470 --> 01:14:35,740
wow that was bizarre let's let's get him

1496
01:14:39,300 --> 01:14:37,480
straight back on that just went straight

1497
01:14:42,780 --> 01:14:39,310
click gone

1498
01:14:44,640 --> 01:14:42,790
did we lose no we did not

1499
01:14:48,330 --> 01:14:44,650
okay let's see what's happening here

1500
01:14:51,960 --> 01:14:48,340
that was bizarre live on the air it just

1501
01:14:55,950 --> 01:14:51,970
went blank screen okay let's see what

1502
01:14:58,740 --> 01:14:55,960
happened but that was you man that

1503
01:15:00,690 --> 01:14:58,750
happened maybe we're talking maybe we're

1504
01:15:02,100 --> 01:15:00,700
talking too much about UFOs man and

1505
01:15:02,700 --> 01:15:02,110
something's going down that's what I'm

1506
01:15:06,660 --> 01:15:02,710
talking about

1507
01:15:10,650 --> 01:15:06,670
see I told you the CIA man the NSA well

1508
01:15:16,770 --> 01:15:10,660
we'll see now you know you made this

1509
01:15:19,890 --> 01:15:16,780
film about UFOs now there yeah now

1510
01:15:21,930 --> 01:15:19,900
they're on to you okay so back the you

1511
01:15:24,330 --> 01:15:21,940
know the the coolness of being able to

1512
01:15:27,810 --> 01:15:24,340
shoot a personality like UFO Bob the

1513
01:15:30,720 --> 01:15:27,820
question was for you does it does it

1514
01:15:33,780 --> 01:15:30,730
take the pressure off yeah well there is

1515
01:15:36,720 --> 01:15:33,790
no pressure because I'm not under the

1516
01:15:38,460 --> 01:15:36,730
subservience of anybody or anything to

1517
01:15:41,600 --> 01:15:38,470
do anything and provide anything I'm

1518
01:15:47,060 --> 01:15:41,610
doing this automatically on my own and

1519
01:15:51,720 --> 01:15:47,070
you know I just you just it oh no

1520
01:15:55,320 --> 01:15:51,730
okay that's bizarre stuff going on let's

1521
01:15:58,320 --> 01:15:55,330
see okay now that's that's never

1522
01:16:01,140 --> 01:15:58,330
happened okay hold on for a second here

1523
01:16:02,970 --> 01:16:01,150
now that's yeah we're here that's never

1524
01:16:05,610 --> 01:16:02,980
happened two times in a row that's

1525
01:16:08,280 --> 01:16:05,620
that's crazy yeah that's cool

1526
01:16:10,890 --> 01:16:08,290
how much footage

1527
01:16:14,460 --> 01:16:10,900
did you shoot how much is left is there

1528
01:16:17,100 --> 01:16:14,470
going to be a Dundee part - yeah you

1529
01:16:19,790 --> 01:16:17,110
know that's actually interesting because

1530
01:16:22,710 --> 01:16:19,800
you know it's a short film and

1531
01:16:26,520 --> 01:16:22,720
ultimately I was thinking about a far

1532
01:16:28,650 --> 01:16:26,530
more introspective piece of work that

1533
01:16:31,680 --> 01:16:28,660
would go beyond maybe the parameters of

1534
01:16:35,130 --> 01:16:31,690
Gumby itself and offer a broader range

1535
01:16:37,560 --> 01:16:35,140
of temporal retrospection you know in

1536
01:16:40,650 --> 01:16:37,570
time to look back at it and how that

1537
01:16:44,370 --> 01:16:40,660
what kind of an immersive experience it

1538
01:16:48,780 --> 01:16:44,380
was and how that played out in come the

1539
01:16:51,900 --> 01:16:48,790
further life beyond that so as in that

1540
01:16:54,360 --> 01:16:51,910
their potentiality of something like

1541
01:16:57,030 --> 01:16:54,370
that occurring and in a an additional

1542
01:17:01,410 --> 01:16:57,040
film maybe yeah I wouldn't discount that

1543
01:17:04,080 --> 01:17:01,420
with with all of these conferences and I

1544
01:17:06,690 --> 01:17:04,090
attend a lot of them I speak at a lot of

1545
01:17:09,840 --> 01:17:06,700
them and one of the things that I enjoy

1546
01:17:12,810 --> 01:17:09,850
most mark is going out at night which

1547
01:17:14,700 --> 01:17:12,820
you did too and with night vision and

1548
01:17:16,650 --> 01:17:14,710
everybody's got their video cameras and

1549
01:17:20,040 --> 01:17:16,660
we sit out there and chairs and stare at

1550
01:17:22,380 --> 01:17:20,050
the sky always something goes down I've

1551
01:17:24,270 --> 01:17:22,390
had either hundreds of sightings where

1552
01:17:26,190 --> 01:17:24,280
I've had ten but certainly I've never

1553
01:17:28,920 --> 01:17:26,200
had nothing happened

1554
01:17:33,690 --> 01:17:28,930
what did anything occur when you were

1555
01:17:37,460 --> 01:17:33,700
out there yeah again like I say that

1556
01:17:40,710 --> 01:17:37,470
well there was the first incident yeah

1557
01:17:44,690 --> 01:17:40,720
fine like I said nationally reported

1558
01:17:48,360 --> 01:17:44,700
UFOs out there finding that stuff now

1559
01:17:53,790 --> 01:17:48,370
yeah you do see lights and so on and so

1560
01:17:58,130 --> 01:17:53,800
forth and you know what what can you say

1561
01:18:02,490 --> 01:17:58,140
I don't mean to be abstract about it but

1562
01:18:04,650 --> 01:18:02,500
you know some would oh man I saw lights

1563
01:18:06,780 --> 01:18:04,660
and then you could respond and say well

1564
01:18:09,420 --> 01:18:06,790
what do you think they were you know

1565
01:18:13,530 --> 01:18:09,430
yeah you many times out there

1566
01:18:16,980 --> 01:18:13,540
the whites do arrive on time around I

1567
01:18:18,479 --> 01:18:16,990
don't know if it's 9:45 10:15 something

1568
01:18:21,540 --> 01:18:18,489
like that so

1569
01:18:24,150 --> 01:18:21,550
and how did how did that change you was

1570
01:18:28,650 --> 01:18:24,160
it in a was it an epiphany type of

1571
01:18:30,240 --> 01:18:28,660
situation what seeing Roman candles in

1572
01:18:34,020 --> 01:18:30,250
the year and not not the Roman candles

1573
01:18:36,680 --> 01:18:34,030
but other things that were not Roman

1574
01:18:40,370 --> 01:18:36,690
candles I mean high up in the atmosphere

1575
01:18:43,050 --> 01:18:40,380
yeah yeah the other things were the

1576
01:18:45,479 --> 01:18:43,060
people getting intoxicated seeing that

1577
01:18:48,390 --> 01:18:45,489
they visit alien ships and so forth like

1578
01:18:50,910 --> 01:18:48,400
that it seems like a lot of them you

1579
01:18:54,540 --> 01:18:50,920
know would find alliance with alcohol

1580
01:18:55,920 --> 01:18:54,550
not all certainly but a lot of there's a

1581
01:19:00,990 --> 01:18:55,930
lot of drinking there I'll put it that

1582
01:19:03,300 --> 01:19:01,000
way that the dead at UFO days most of

1583
01:19:05,910 --> 01:19:03,310
that would be correct yeah most of the

1584
01:19:09,000 --> 01:19:05,920
conference's that I go to it's the

1585
01:19:12,030 --> 01:19:09,010
opposite of that right right like up at

1586
01:19:13,920 --> 01:19:12,040
ecity Ranch in Washington which is one

1587
01:19:15,870 --> 01:19:13,930
of the craziest places if you're ever

1588
01:19:17,940 --> 01:19:15,880
gonna go as a filmmaker and you want to

1589
01:19:21,900 --> 01:19:17,950
go shoot some crazy stuff you go up to

1590
01:19:24,360 --> 01:19:21,910
ISA T ranch there is no alcohol or any

1591
01:19:27,709 --> 01:19:24,370
drugs allowed of any kind on the ranch

1592
01:19:30,300 --> 01:19:27,719
so everybody is stone-cold sober and

1593
01:19:32,520 --> 01:19:30,310
that's that's interesting and I did

1594
01:19:36,180 --> 01:19:32,530
notice and you've mentioned this a few

1595
01:19:40,620 --> 01:19:36,190
times about the party atmosphere that

1596
01:19:43,380 --> 01:19:40,630
was going on at UFO days yeah if you go

1597
01:19:45,150 --> 01:19:43,390
to something like e SETI where you're

1598
01:19:47,340 --> 01:19:45,160
gonna have a couple of hundred night

1599
01:19:48,810 --> 01:19:47,350
watching people out there with their

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01:19:51,690 --> 01:19:48,820
gear and everything staring at them

1601
01:19:53,880 --> 01:19:51,700
there is no alcohol right there if that

1602
01:19:55,260 --> 01:19:53,890
doesn't exist and that was something

1603
01:20:02,700 --> 01:19:55,270
else I wanted to ask you about really

1604
01:20:05,520 --> 01:20:02,710
quick you you I find you saying over and

1605
01:20:08,160 --> 01:20:05,530
over again I don't do drugs I don't do I

1606
01:20:11,040 --> 01:20:08,170
I don't drink I don't do you know I

1607
01:20:13,500 --> 01:20:11,050
don't do I don't do why why do i why do

1608
01:20:17,720 --> 01:20:13,510
you feel that you have to say that so

1609
01:20:20,280 --> 01:20:17,730
often is it the way people may prefer

1610
01:20:22,890 --> 01:20:20,290
actually I don't I think what you're

1611
01:20:27,390 --> 01:20:22,900
referring to and it makes me cringe is

1612
01:20:30,150 --> 01:20:27,400
when that was edited they brought that

1613
01:20:32,310 --> 01:20:30,160
into the editing and obviously when we

1614
01:20:35,399 --> 01:20:32,320
go about our daily bit

1615
01:20:37,319 --> 01:20:35,409
we have counter people and this like

1616
01:20:40,740 --> 01:20:37,329
when we do cute when I was doing q and

1617
01:20:44,339 --> 01:20:40,750
A's right so one would be juxtaposed

1618
01:20:48,780 --> 01:20:44,349
against the other in a sense for effect

1619
01:20:52,050 --> 01:20:48,790
so I don't really say that but when you

1620
01:20:53,459 --> 01:20:52,060
know if I say hey good morning to ten

1621
01:20:55,589 --> 01:20:53,469
different people a morning if somebody

1622
01:20:57,149 --> 01:20:55,599
edits thousands of those good warnings

1623
01:21:00,149 --> 01:20:57,159
together it's like whoa

1624
01:21:06,209 --> 01:21:00,159
so it's the same thing it's just it's an

1625
01:21:08,339 --> 01:21:06,219
act of artifice or effect so you don't

1626
01:21:11,609 --> 01:21:08,349
feel that you have to say it it's it's

1627
01:21:13,740 --> 01:21:11,619
funny because you don't it's just that

1628
01:21:17,069 --> 01:21:13,750
this has all been jumbled together and

1629
01:21:19,290 --> 01:21:17,079
it looks like you're repeating it right

1630
01:21:21,450 --> 01:21:19,300
yeah I thought it made me cringe what I

1631
01:21:24,479 --> 01:21:21,460
was catching out that it was it was

1632
01:21:28,890 --> 01:21:24,489
definitely cringe-worthy again I think

1633
01:21:32,669 --> 01:21:28,900
that entertainment is an act of naivety

1634
01:21:36,629 --> 01:21:32,679
on the audience's part that they believe

1635
01:21:40,160 --> 01:21:36,639
all of this stuff and it's a lot of

1636
01:21:42,330 --> 01:21:40,170
people seek entertainment a few

1637
01:21:45,209 --> 01:21:42,340
intellectually stimulating things so I

1638
01:21:47,790 --> 01:21:45,219
mean you know unless you're naive you

1639
01:21:52,800 --> 01:21:47,800
understand it's an act of montage for

1640
01:21:58,470 --> 01:21:52,810
this simplistic effect you know are you

1641
01:22:00,569 --> 01:21:58,480
you know people really are drawn to not

1642
01:22:03,359 --> 01:22:00,579
only your personality and your

1643
01:22:07,040 --> 01:22:03,369
filmmaking but and and your intelligence

1644
01:22:11,459 --> 01:22:07,050
but you have a way of engaging that has

1645
01:22:14,760 --> 01:22:11,469
a serious amount of humor attached to it

1646
01:22:16,950 --> 01:22:14,770
whether it's intentional or not it's

1647
01:22:20,850 --> 01:22:16,960
it's something that's very very very

1648
01:22:23,939 --> 01:22:20,860
cool and your engagement back are you

1649
01:22:26,939 --> 01:22:23,949
conscious of that do you do you realize

1650
01:22:29,520 --> 01:22:26,949
that you are a pretty fun and

1651
01:22:33,149 --> 01:22:29,530
entertaining person to be around does

1652
01:22:35,129 --> 01:22:33,159
that even enter into your mind well of

1653
01:22:37,220 --> 01:22:35,139
course it's all premeditated I mean I'm

1654
01:22:40,649 --> 01:22:37,230
very consciously aware of it it's like a

1655
01:22:44,750 --> 01:22:40,659
show and what it is it's more of getting

1656
01:22:46,080 --> 01:22:44,760
into empathetic region because if you

1657
01:22:48,330 --> 01:22:46,090
become too

1658
01:22:51,510 --> 01:22:48,340
deep or intellectual or to meaningful

1659
01:22:55,890 --> 01:22:51,520
about something it it's just not for

1660
01:23:00,240 --> 01:22:55,900
everyone so in order to smooth things

1661
01:23:03,590 --> 01:23:00,250
out and to briefly engage with people

1662
01:23:05,880 --> 01:23:03,600
for a short period of time that all that

1663
01:23:08,100 --> 01:23:05,890
premeditated sure will come out a little

1664
01:23:11,700 --> 01:23:08,110
bit and that just kind of moves things

1665
01:23:14,460 --> 01:23:11,710
along so yeah it's all highly highly

1666
01:23:15,600 --> 01:23:14,470
aware of it while it's going on you said

1667
01:23:17,010 --> 01:23:15,610
to me I'm going to throw you into the

1668
01:23:19,430 --> 01:23:17,020
bus a little bit you had said to me

1669
01:23:23,220 --> 01:23:19,440
earlier today I hope you don't mind I

1670
01:23:24,270 --> 01:23:23,230
said you know he said okay so how long

1671
01:23:25,980 --> 01:23:24,280
do you want to do this I said we're

1672
01:23:28,500 --> 01:23:25,990
gonna do this for two hours and your

1673
01:23:31,530 --> 01:23:28,510
response was and it was it was it talked

1674
01:23:35,910 --> 01:23:31,540
about gold you go Jimmy it's a 17-minute

1675
01:23:39,750 --> 01:23:35,920
film how long right but that's exactly

1676
01:23:42,450 --> 01:23:39,760
the point you know and and for you I'd

1677
01:23:44,760 --> 01:23:42,460
you know I want to come back at you one

1678
01:23:47,760 --> 01:23:44,770
more time you have so much to say and we

1679
01:23:49,860 --> 01:23:47,770
learned so much from you and and I hope

1680
01:23:53,190 --> 01:23:49,870
that you appreciate that there is so

1681
01:23:55,020 --> 01:23:53,200
much that we can cover and and and we

1682
01:23:57,330 --> 01:23:55,030
are gonna run out of time tonight but I

1683
01:24:00,480 --> 01:23:57,340
think that's one of your your amazing

1684
01:24:03,060 --> 01:24:00,490
things is is your intelligence when it

1685
01:24:06,150 --> 01:24:03,070
comes to what it takes to make a film

1686
01:24:08,400 --> 01:24:06,160
what it takes to be committed to it it's

1687
01:24:10,590 --> 01:24:08,410
not something that is easy and I've

1688
01:24:13,230 --> 01:24:10,600
dedicated my life to this and you need

1689
01:24:20,660 --> 01:24:13,240
to share that knowledge with everybody

1690
01:24:27,390 --> 01:24:23,480
this is probably one of the most

1691
01:24:31,860 --> 01:24:27,400
painless interviews I've ever done I

1692
01:24:33,390 --> 01:24:31,870
really appreciate you I mean it it if

1693
01:24:36,600 --> 01:24:33,400
this was you were a different

1694
01:24:40,010 --> 01:24:36,610
personality this would be a disaster and

1695
01:24:42,840 --> 01:24:40,020
I couldn't endure it but you're you are

1696
01:24:45,750 --> 01:24:42,850
skilled conversationalist so it's not

1697
01:24:49,530 --> 01:24:45,760
really me doing the talking it's

1698
01:24:53,400 --> 01:24:49,540
actually you having the ability to keep

1699
01:24:56,250 --> 01:24:53,410
this going on in an engaging way and you

1700
01:24:57,840 --> 01:24:56,260
you said it was really funny I don't

1701
01:24:58,540 --> 01:24:57,850
know if it was slam fest

1702
01:25:01,299 --> 01:24:58,550
or if

1703
01:25:03,790 --> 01:25:01,309
it was found footage but one of the

1704
01:25:09,520 --> 01:25:03,800
festival's you had said what which

1705
01:25:12,640 --> 01:25:09,530
festival is Colin Colin as in the name

1706
01:25:15,010 --> 01:25:12,650
of a person the the guy that would be

1707
01:25:17,140 --> 01:25:15,020
that'd be down in Chicago okay that was

1708
01:25:19,390 --> 01:25:17,150
in Chicago so you said to Colin you

1709
01:25:22,660 --> 01:25:19,400
could look mad or you said to the

1710
01:25:24,609 --> 01:25:22,670
audience he said I don't I don't enjoy

1711
01:25:26,620 --> 01:25:24,619
going out to dinner and engaging in

1712
01:25:29,290 --> 01:25:26,630
conversation and you turn to Collins and

1713
01:25:31,359 --> 01:25:29,300
said but the column we're gonna go have

1714
01:25:34,330 --> 01:25:31,369
fun tonight don't worry about it and and

1715
01:25:36,160 --> 01:25:34,340
and I'm gonna throw that back at you if

1716
01:25:39,040 --> 01:25:36,170
you and I went out to dinner just like

1717
01:25:42,930 --> 01:25:39,050
this show we could sit for a couple of

1718
01:25:47,589 --> 01:25:42,940
hours and and have a great conversation

1719
01:25:50,169 --> 01:25:47,599
yeah I guess just as we are now

1720
01:25:52,209 --> 01:25:50,179
case in point right oh yeah what I met

1721
01:25:55,049 --> 01:25:52,219
what I met what I guess everything needs

1722
01:25:57,819 --> 01:25:55,059
to be clarified because things are

1723
01:26:01,089 --> 01:25:57,829
brought down to such a reductive level

1724
01:26:05,470 --> 01:26:01,099
it to life is the experience of nuance

1725
01:26:09,030 --> 01:26:05,480
so I guess when I say that I I love

1726
01:26:12,970 --> 01:26:09,040
going out to dinner with intelligent

1727
01:26:15,910 --> 01:26:12,980
respectful people I'm saying just people

1728
01:26:18,069 --> 01:26:15,920
who have just bring you down and so

1729
01:26:21,189 --> 01:26:18,079
forth that I wouldn't want to engage and

1730
01:26:23,560 --> 01:26:21,199
but together I mean yeah people who just

1731
01:26:25,120 --> 01:26:23,570
go out to eat for the sake of going out

1732
01:26:26,500 --> 01:26:25,130
to eat and nothing's happened India

1733
01:26:28,060 --> 01:26:26,510
that's pretty horrifying because you're

1734
01:26:31,149 --> 01:26:28,070
you're trapped with them for about like

1735
01:26:33,549 --> 01:26:31,159
an hour or when it's actually with

1736
01:26:36,609 --> 01:26:33,559
engaging people it's going out to dinner

1737
01:26:38,530 --> 01:26:36,619
is great so yeah that's exactly right

1738
01:26:41,140 --> 01:26:38,540
that's exactly right and we're gonna

1739
01:26:43,510 --> 01:26:41,150
take a break right here and when we come

1740
01:26:46,060 --> 01:26:43,520
back I want to talk actually about the

1741
01:26:49,030 --> 01:26:46,070
festival circuit and and what is going

1742
01:26:52,720 --> 01:26:49,040
on not only with what happens on the

1743
01:26:54,339 --> 01:26:52,730
circuits but the reception of the Dundee

1744
01:26:56,890 --> 01:26:54,349
project so we're gonna talk about that

1745
01:26:58,450 --> 01:26:56,900
when we come back and we'll pick up

1746
01:27:00,040 --> 01:26:58,460
everything where we are leaving off

1747
01:27:01,600 --> 01:27:00,050
right now this is fade to black I'm

1748
01:27:04,569 --> 01:27:01,610
you'll see me Church I guess tonight

1749
01:27:05,379 --> 01:27:04,579
filmmaker screenwriter playwright mark

1750
01:27:07,149 --> 01:27:05,389
borchardt

1751
01:27:12,350 --> 01:27:07,159
I'm your host Jimmy church this is fade

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Network hi I'm Lisa Vance you're

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[Applause]

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01:31:57,420 --> 01:31:54,770
welcome back fade to black I'm assuming

1835
01:31:59,770 --> 01:31:57,430
Church right yes tonight mark Borchardt

1836
01:32:01,750 --> 01:31:59,780
filmmaker screenwriter playwright his

1837
01:32:04,030 --> 01:32:01,760
new film as new project is called the

1838
01:32:07,180 --> 01:32:04,040
dundee project it's about the UFO Days

1839
01:32:09,640 --> 01:32:07,190
Festival in Dundee Wisconsin tomorrow

1840
01:32:12,130 --> 01:32:09,650
night is Fator night it's open lines all

1841
01:32:13,540 --> 01:32:12,140
night long touristy and eros is going to

1842
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be here with divine frequency on the

1843
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airwaves then we open up those phones

1844
01:32:20,680 --> 01:32:18,500
and start the conversation so that is

1845
01:32:24,190 --> 01:32:20,690
tomorrow night and this weekend I'll be

1846
01:32:25,750 --> 01:32:24,200
over at coast to coast am there yet go

1847
01:32:27,600 --> 01:32:25,760
and then I'll see everybody on Wednesday

1848
01:32:32,470 --> 01:32:27,610
and we start this thing all over again

1849
01:32:36,220 --> 01:32:32,480
now mark I want to talk about the the

1850
01:32:38,350 --> 01:32:36,230
film festival circuit and what I find a

1851
01:32:40,780 --> 01:32:38,360
little strange which is different than

1852
01:32:43,750 --> 01:32:40,790
everything else in other words there's

1853
01:32:45,910 --> 01:32:43,760
not like an art circuit where you're an

1854
01:32:47,740 --> 01:32:45,920
artist and you have a painting and you

1855
01:32:49,690 --> 01:32:47,750
take it out on the art circuit and then

1856
01:32:54,640 --> 01:32:49,700
you get up and answer questions about

1857
01:32:57,040 --> 01:32:54,650
your painting or music or or or anything

1858
01:33:00,490 --> 01:32:57,050
like that but the film circuit that's

1859
01:33:04,030 --> 01:33:00,500
exactly what goes on and I feel if it

1860
01:33:06,550 --> 01:33:04,040
was me you're completely exposed you

1861
01:33:08,410 --> 01:33:06,560
know and you've got your your work up

1862
01:33:10,840 --> 01:33:08,420
there and and your heart and your soul

1863
01:33:13,360 --> 01:33:10,850
and your sweat and then you've got to

1864
01:33:15,070 --> 01:33:13,370
turn around and possibly face the

1865
01:33:18,490 --> 01:33:15,080
critique of it and you've got to answer

1866
01:33:20,979 --> 01:33:18,500
questions what's that like well I'll

1867
01:33:23,440 --> 01:33:20,989
tell you first in reflected in our

1868
01:33:25,360 --> 01:33:23,450
conversation you know you know when you

1869
01:33:26,890 --> 01:33:25,370
talk about like being doing all the

1870
01:33:29,530 --> 01:33:26,900
stuff on your own that's incredibly not

1871
01:33:31,660 --> 01:33:29,540
true because I have the wonderful max

1872
01:33:34,330 --> 01:33:31,670
hey at the in assistant editor with the

1873
01:33:36,700 --> 01:33:34,340
Dundee project and Andrew Swan is the

1874
01:33:39,340 --> 01:33:36,710
producer at Nick cooler and you'll pick

1875
01:33:42,130 --> 01:33:39,350
it from found footage festival they're

1876
01:33:45,010 --> 01:33:42,140
the executive producers right so on the

1877
01:33:47,350 --> 01:33:45,020
post-production side you had those four

1878
01:33:51,640 --> 01:33:47,360
gentlemen really come through and really

1879
01:33:53,470 --> 01:33:51,650
get the job done what I after I I have

1880
01:33:54,130 --> 01:33:53,480
to say that you know I and I got raised

1881
01:33:56,380 --> 01:33:54,140
right

1882
01:33:58,540 --> 01:33:56,390
you know my partner Lila Wilson who's

1883
01:34:01,140 --> 01:33:58,550
who's you know through thick and thin is

1884
01:34:04,479 --> 01:34:01,150
you know it's always you know a very

1885
01:34:05,360 --> 01:34:04,489
strong fortress of empowerment so that

1886
01:34:08,720 --> 01:34:05,370
we've got it

1887
01:34:10,700 --> 01:34:08,730
those factors definitely and TW Hansen

1888
01:34:13,340 --> 01:34:10,710
for that matter as well you know in

1889
01:34:15,860 --> 01:34:13,350
Pankowski these are people behind the

1890
01:34:17,650 --> 01:34:15,870
scenes that you know fill in a lot of

1891
01:34:20,780 --> 01:34:17,660
voids man and keep pushing this thing

1892
01:34:23,510 --> 01:34:20,790
you know where it needs to go and you

1893
01:34:26,060 --> 01:34:23,520
need that support here you need that

1894
01:34:28,130 --> 01:34:26,070
team and you've got to have those those

1895
01:34:30,830 --> 01:34:28,140
little pieces where you have those

1896
01:34:33,290 --> 01:34:30,840
experts that know exactly you know what

1897
01:34:37,400 --> 01:34:33,300
to do to get things done and that's how

1898
01:34:39,680 --> 01:34:37,410
these projects come to life exactly now

1899
01:34:42,440 --> 01:34:39,690
as for the festival circuit if your film

1900
01:34:46,220 --> 01:34:42,450
is in a festival it's most likely worthy

1901
01:34:48,500 --> 01:34:46,230
to be there so the audience reaction is

1902
01:34:50,570 --> 01:34:48,510
always kind you know and people are

1903
01:34:51,980 --> 01:34:50,580
enthusiastic upon to see if you want to

1904
01:34:54,770 --> 01:34:51,990
talk to you they want to see your film

1905
01:34:58,280 --> 01:34:54,780
all of that stuff so there's I mean you

1906
01:35:00,170 --> 01:34:58,290
know when your workplace or not so it's

1907
01:35:02,870 --> 01:35:00,180
not like something unexpected is going

1908
01:35:05,510 --> 01:35:02,880
to happen so you're at a film festival

1909
01:35:07,730 --> 01:35:05,520
because people want to engage with your

1910
01:35:10,400 --> 01:35:07,740
work so it's kind of like you know

1911
01:35:13,010 --> 01:35:10,410
you're in the know at that point and how

1912
01:35:16,010 --> 01:35:13,020
has the reception been for the Dundee

1913
01:35:18,730 --> 01:35:16,020
project it's been extraordinary people

1914
01:35:21,740 --> 01:35:18,740
have really dug the film there's a real

1915
01:35:24,170 --> 01:35:21,750
energy while palpable as entities while

1916
01:35:27,980 --> 01:35:24,180
watching it and they really have an

1917
01:35:29,720 --> 01:35:27,990
enjoyable time when I mentioned earlier

1918
01:35:31,430 --> 01:35:29,730
you know here in Hollywood it seems like

1919
01:35:32,720 --> 01:35:31,440
you're for your screenwriter your

1920
01:35:35,180 --> 01:35:32,730
director whatever you want something

1921
01:35:38,390 --> 01:35:35,190
greenlight you know do an alien pick you

1922
01:35:40,730 --> 01:35:38,400
know bring that into your pitch meeting

1923
01:35:45,530 --> 01:35:40,740
and you you've got a pretty good chance

1924
01:35:47,000 --> 01:35:45,540
of getting a project done and you might

1925
01:35:49,190 --> 01:35:47,010
go and say something like that your

1926
01:35:54,830 --> 01:35:49,200
newest project is about the UFO Days

1927
01:35:57,230 --> 01:35:54,840
Festival do you think that that heads it

1928
01:36:00,470 --> 01:35:57,240
has that appeal for the audience you

1929
01:36:02,300 --> 01:36:00,480
know that they are attached to it and

1930
01:36:06,710 --> 01:36:02,310
they understand it and this is something

1931
01:36:09,590 --> 01:36:06,720
that they can get into yeah absolutely I

1932
01:36:12,920 --> 01:36:09,600
think there's again like a foreshadowing

1933
01:36:15,020 --> 01:36:12,930
of good times to come when you do talk

1934
01:36:17,770 --> 01:36:15,030
about UFOs or aliens there are these

1935
01:36:19,190 --> 01:36:17,780
kind of like built-in expectations that

1936
01:36:21,800 --> 01:36:19,200
reasonably are

1937
01:36:25,430 --> 01:36:21,810
built by this film does that make you

1938
01:36:27,320 --> 01:36:25,440
are you suddenly a UFO expert you know

1939
01:36:30,140 --> 01:36:27,330
what I mean are they hitting you with

1940
01:36:33,110 --> 01:36:30,150
you although questions there are they

1941
01:36:35,960 --> 01:36:33,120
expecting you are right exactly see

1942
01:36:41,140 --> 01:36:35,970
right so are they expecting that from

1943
01:36:46,940 --> 01:36:44,690
not in not in particular you know if

1944
01:36:48,380 --> 01:36:46,950
they want to think that more power to

1945
01:36:50,840 --> 01:36:48,390
them I'm only going to answer what I'm

1946
01:36:54,560 --> 01:36:50,850
going to answer so it means zero to me

1947
01:36:56,330 --> 01:36:54,570
you know you know so I just you know you

1948
01:36:59,660 --> 01:36:56,340
can tell it like it is and you get your

1949
01:37:02,060 --> 01:36:59,670
answer yeah yeah no I totally get that I

1950
01:37:05,120 --> 01:37:02,070
guess what I am suggesting here is if

1951
01:37:07,520 --> 01:37:05,130
you come out with a film like this now

1952
01:37:09,980 --> 01:37:07,530
you are going to get those questions

1953
01:37:11,990 --> 01:37:09,990
from people that have a UFO background

1954
01:37:14,480 --> 01:37:12,000
or an interest in it and they are

1955
01:37:15,950 --> 01:37:14,490
assuming that you're going to know what

1956
01:37:20,750 --> 01:37:15,960
they're talking about you know what I

1957
01:37:23,840 --> 01:37:20,760
mean I mean it's not really hard I mean

1958
01:37:26,270 --> 01:37:23,850
I mean what would they know that it's so

1959
01:37:28,720 --> 01:37:26,280
specific that it's that's mind blowing

1960
01:37:31,310 --> 01:37:28,730
and so forth I mean you you know they

1961
01:37:33,770 --> 01:37:31,320
may know this and then most people don't

1962
01:37:36,050 --> 01:37:33,780
I I don't think I've ever encountered

1963
01:37:38,960 --> 01:37:36,060
someone who was head over heels of on

1964
01:37:41,420 --> 01:37:38,970
the subject and tried to believe me with

1965
01:37:43,490 --> 01:37:41,430
all of this knowledge and in pest mine

1966
01:37:47,270 --> 01:37:43,500
you know I'll engage you know with

1967
01:37:50,330 --> 01:37:47,280
whoever our reform is necessary so I

1968
01:37:52,190 --> 01:37:50,340
mean it doesn't put me off or anything

1969
01:37:54,500 --> 01:37:52,200
in any way shape or form it's all and

1970
01:37:57,680 --> 01:37:54,510
good fun as long as nobody puts out an

1971
01:38:01,550 --> 01:37:57,690
eye right right well I'll give you an

1972
01:38:02,450 --> 01:38:01,560
example has anybody asked you about

1973
01:38:07,670 --> 01:38:02,460
Roswell

1974
01:38:10,670 --> 01:38:07,680
oh not to my knowledge I mean yeah I

1975
01:38:13,430 --> 01:38:10,680
understand that there initially there

1976
01:38:15,400 --> 01:38:13,440
was talk of a whether it was reported by

1977
01:38:18,680 --> 01:38:15,410
the government that a weather balloon

1978
01:38:21,950 --> 01:38:18,690
went down and then I mean I'm reading

1979
01:38:24,260 --> 01:38:21,960
Annie Jacobson theory of 51 or right

1980
01:38:25,160 --> 01:38:24,270
yeah that would probably be by the lot

1981
01:38:27,140 --> 01:38:25,170
of subject

1982
01:38:28,900 --> 01:38:27,150
yeah great book great book she's very

1983
01:38:31,370 --> 01:38:28,910
smart she's been on the show a few times

1984
01:38:33,120 --> 01:38:31,380
she's absolutely amazing you're in the

1985
01:38:36,180 --> 01:38:33,130
right direction there

1986
01:38:41,040 --> 01:38:36,190
right Andy Jacobsen is a very well

1987
01:38:42,780 --> 01:38:41,050
researched and the the other part of

1988
01:38:46,920 --> 01:38:42,790
this and this is kind of where I'm going

1989
01:38:50,010 --> 01:38:46,930
is that there is a word called

1990
01:38:51,600 --> 01:38:50,020
disclosure we all know the word and we

1991
01:38:54,540 --> 01:38:51,610
all know what the definition is

1992
01:38:56,730 --> 01:38:54,550
but it means different things to

1993
01:38:59,850 --> 01:38:56,740
different people but right now in the

1994
01:39:03,270 --> 01:38:59,860
UFO community specifically mark there

1995
01:39:08,760 --> 01:39:03,280
has been a lot of craziness when it

1996
01:39:10,560 --> 01:39:08,770
comes to the possibility of disclosure

1997
01:39:13,020 --> 01:39:10,570
you know the moment where the president

1998
01:39:15,120 --> 01:39:13,030
like Independence Day or whatever steps

1999
01:39:19,350 --> 01:39:15,130
up to the podium on live television and

2000
01:39:21,240 --> 01:39:19,360
says we are not alone right okay the

2001
01:39:24,300 --> 01:39:21,250
questions have been answered

2002
01:39:27,570 --> 01:39:24,310
well that's disclosure to a lot of

2003
01:39:29,970 --> 01:39:27,580
people in the UFO community and and this

2004
01:39:32,730 --> 01:39:29,980
year well it started in December of last

2005
01:39:36,360 --> 01:39:32,740
year lots of coverage with the New York

2006
01:39:39,180 --> 01:39:36,370
Times and CNN and the Pentagon and and

2007
01:39:41,790 --> 01:39:39,190
their secret UFO program and these

2008
01:39:44,970 --> 01:39:41,800
videos that have been released and it

2009
01:39:47,820 --> 01:39:44,980
feels like there's something going on

2010
01:39:51,540 --> 01:39:47,830
like there could be an announcement for

2011
01:39:54,060 --> 01:39:51,550
you outside of the UFO community are you

2012
01:39:58,290 --> 01:39:54,070
aware of this are you aware of the

2013
01:40:00,270 --> 01:39:58,300
disclosure movement well I am now I mean

2014
01:40:02,820 --> 01:40:00,280
I'm sure that's something that's been

2015
01:40:05,670 --> 01:40:02,830
you know simmering and may come to a

2016
01:40:08,430 --> 01:40:05,680
reasonable boil and then may simmer

2017
01:40:11,130 --> 01:40:08,440
again and so on and so forth so I mean I

2018
01:40:12,750 --> 01:40:11,140
think these questions kind of lay like

2019
01:40:15,480 --> 01:40:12,760
there's eight billion of us and we kind

2020
01:40:17,370 --> 01:40:15,490
of want to ask the next person you know

2021
01:40:19,890 --> 01:40:17,380
and kind of find out if we can get them

2022
01:40:21,600 --> 01:40:19,900
on their frequency and so forth and I

2023
01:40:25,140 --> 01:40:21,610
think that's why these questions are

2024
01:40:28,680 --> 01:40:25,150
asked do you do you think that the world

2025
01:40:33,240 --> 01:40:28,690
will freak out right where the know you

2026
01:40:35,040 --> 01:40:33,250
know if if it happened or some crazy

2027
01:40:40,470 --> 01:40:35,050
event right some crazy

2028
01:40:42,330 --> 01:40:40,480
Independence Day yeah I mean what being

2029
01:40:44,580 --> 01:40:42,340
being attacked by flying saucer

2030
01:40:45,830 --> 01:40:44,590
no no well that would freak some people

2031
01:40:48,660 --> 01:40:45,840
out that would

2032
01:40:50,220 --> 01:40:48,670
yeah that would vary there you bury you

2033
01:40:54,660 --> 01:40:50,230
to have your freak oh you would ever

2034
01:40:57,390 --> 01:40:54,670
freak out but if if what is the freeway

2035
01:41:02,879 --> 01:40:57,400
that goes between Chicago and Milwaukee

2036
01:41:07,770 --> 01:41:02,889
what is that 95 but yeah like 94 94 okay

2037
01:41:12,180 --> 01:41:07,780
so about 43 94 out of its term 41 43 94

2038
01:41:14,189 --> 01:41:12,190
okay so 94 a big ship comes and lands on

2039
01:41:16,530 --> 01:41:14,199
the 94 and blocks traffic in both

2040
01:41:20,220 --> 01:41:16,540
directions right and it's just sitting

2041
01:41:23,520 --> 01:41:20,230
there do the people of Milwaukee lose

2042
01:41:25,500 --> 01:41:23,530
their minds or do they just go you know

2043
01:41:30,030 --> 01:41:25,510
what move that move that thing off the

2044
01:41:31,859 --> 01:41:30,040
freeway I've got to get to work well the

2045
01:41:34,740 --> 01:41:31,869
classic answer is a little bit of bullet

2046
01:41:37,410 --> 01:41:34,750
but yeah I'm sure that their worlds

2047
01:41:39,810 --> 01:41:37,420
would be rocked to a great extent

2048
01:41:42,090 --> 01:41:39,820
because this is something that people

2049
01:41:44,490 --> 01:41:42,100
have considered since the first Evan

2050
01:41:46,859 --> 01:41:44,500
flow of their own consciousness in life

2051
01:41:48,660 --> 01:41:46,869
you know that you know this is their

2052
01:41:51,660 --> 01:41:48,670
introduced idea such as that but there

2053
01:41:53,550 --> 01:41:51,670
are other tangible life forms other than

2054
01:41:56,520 --> 01:41:53,560
themselves and if confronted with that

2055
01:41:58,379 --> 01:41:56,530
finally empirically you know hands-on

2056
01:42:01,500 --> 01:41:58,389
they'd be like wow yeah this is crazy

2057
01:42:04,890 --> 01:42:01,510
man this is revolutionary and what about

2058
01:42:07,470 --> 01:42:04,900
religion does that come into play what

2059
01:42:12,359 --> 01:42:07,480
about it does religion freak out too as

2060
01:42:14,790 --> 01:42:12,369
well or do they you know does everything

2061
01:42:16,379 --> 01:42:14,800
see the thing of it is is that you got

2062
01:42:18,149 --> 01:42:16,389
to stick to your own beliefs that

2063
01:42:19,560 --> 01:42:18,159
they'll come up with an answer for

2064
01:42:21,979 --> 01:42:19,570
anything so that it was their

2065
01:42:27,390 --> 01:42:21,989
responsibility riyal

2066
01:42:30,120 --> 01:42:27,400
in that I'm curious about that whatever

2067
01:42:33,060 --> 01:42:30,130
their response would be what do you

2068
01:42:36,439 --> 01:42:33,070
think it an immaterial response what do

2069
01:42:39,300 --> 01:42:36,449
you think it would be well again

2070
01:42:41,220 --> 01:42:39,310
anything well everyone would have a

2071
01:42:43,020 --> 01:42:41,230
different reaction they did they would

2072
01:42:44,760 --> 01:42:43,030
incorporate it such as I told you so

2073
01:42:46,109 --> 01:42:44,770
this is what we've said all along and

2074
01:42:48,240 --> 01:42:46,119
it's like huh

2075
01:42:50,040 --> 01:42:48,250
you know I thought it'd be like that's

2076
01:42:52,140 --> 01:42:50,050
what it would be like you know it's like

2077
01:42:54,839 --> 01:42:52,150
I said that their their reaction is

2078
01:42:57,600 --> 01:42:54,849
highly immaterial in in the real world

2079
01:42:59,069 --> 01:42:57,610
so did the board they'd be saying we

2080
01:43:01,109 --> 01:42:59,079
told you along

2081
01:43:04,649 --> 01:43:01,119
and you'd be like man you never told us

2082
01:43:06,569 --> 01:43:04,659
nothing but you know it's oh yeah if

2083
01:43:07,950 --> 01:43:06,579
you've never buy into something you're

2084
01:43:09,569 --> 01:43:07,960
never gonna get bird you know what I'm

2085
01:43:11,910 --> 01:43:09,579
saying you always stay apart from

2086
01:43:13,530 --> 01:43:11,920
everything except your own life and your

2087
01:43:16,950 --> 01:43:13,540
own convictions and then you're gonna do

2088
01:43:19,589 --> 01:43:16,960
a ok and that's that's a great point and

2089
01:43:21,720 --> 01:43:19,599
although I don't do politics on this

2090
01:43:23,669 --> 01:43:21,730
show right I just don't do it I do the

2091
01:43:26,459 --> 01:43:23,679
conspiracy of politics every day but

2092
01:43:30,470 --> 01:43:26,469
politics in general I don't do but

2093
01:43:35,250 --> 01:43:30,480
earlier this year our president

2094
01:43:38,939 --> 01:43:35,260
announced a space force and this space

2095
01:43:43,830 --> 01:43:38,949
force made the the headlines on on all

2096
01:43:46,109 --> 01:43:43,840
of the networks and that was an

2097
01:43:49,500 --> 01:43:46,119
interesting announcement what would we

2098
01:43:52,140 --> 01:43:49,510
need a space force for I'm gonna throw

2099
01:43:54,720 --> 01:43:52,150
this at you mark did you hear about that

2100
01:43:59,030 --> 01:43:54,730
and if you did what was your reaction

2101
01:44:02,129 --> 01:43:59,040
what would we need a space force for I

2102
01:44:03,990 --> 01:44:02,139
did hear about it and my reaction was

2103
01:44:07,260 --> 01:44:04,000
that it makes sense because it's not

2104
01:44:10,470 --> 01:44:07,270
about fighting extraterrestrials it's

2105
01:44:12,689 --> 01:44:10,480
about monitoring the area that we occupy

2106
01:44:14,459 --> 01:44:12,699
and such as where our satellite systems

2107
01:44:16,379 --> 01:44:14,469
are because if you have another country

2108
01:44:17,609 --> 01:44:16,389
knocked out our communication that

2109
01:44:21,660 --> 01:44:17,619
wouldn't be a good thing

2110
01:44:23,660 --> 01:44:21,670
so in realistic terms space forces just

2111
01:44:26,399 --> 01:44:23,670
about getting ready to be necessary to

2112
01:44:30,000 --> 01:44:26,409
protect our orbiting communication

2113
01:44:32,629 --> 01:44:30,010
satellites and so you're suggesting that

2114
01:44:35,479 --> 01:44:32,639
aliens didn't you didn't think

2115
01:44:38,970 --> 01:44:35,489
necessarily the alien connection first

2116
01:44:44,250 --> 01:44:38,980
but this was in in defense of our own

2117
01:44:47,040 --> 01:44:44,260
military and country right I don't think

2118
01:44:49,709 --> 01:44:47,050
I don't understand how a space force and

2119
01:44:54,540 --> 01:44:49,719
aliens how you would connect the two I

2120
01:44:57,870 --> 01:44:54,550
we really we have myriad amounts of

2121
01:45:01,080 --> 01:44:57,880
satellites in the in our orbit that need

2122
01:45:03,689 --> 01:45:01,090
to be the essential ones need to be

2123
01:45:06,240 --> 01:45:03,699
protected so then you would need a space

2124
01:45:10,500 --> 01:45:06,250
force up there to do it I don't see how

2125
01:45:14,310 --> 01:45:10,510
a lien came into that conversation yeah

2126
01:45:18,780 --> 01:45:14,320
and the I you know what I did and it's

2127
01:45:22,110 --> 01:45:18,790
not that I'm a you know UFO radio host

2128
01:45:25,680 --> 01:45:22,120
because I am but when I heard that the

2129
01:45:28,440 --> 01:45:25,690
first thing I thought about is what

2130
01:45:30,210 --> 01:45:28,450
would you reminded me of Ronald Reagan's

2131
01:45:32,840 --> 01:45:30,220
famous speeches that he did at the

2132
01:45:36,330 --> 01:45:32,850
United Nations right you know about

2133
01:45:38,190 --> 01:45:36,340
being attacked by et and we would unite

2134
01:45:40,590 --> 01:45:38,200
we would forget all of our differences

2135
01:45:44,610 --> 01:45:40,600
here on earth and we would get together

2136
01:45:47,310 --> 01:45:44,620
and and we would be earthly right for a

2137
01:45:50,460 --> 01:45:47,320
few minutes right exactly we would

2138
01:45:52,790 --> 01:45:50,470
forget about those things and so when

2139
01:45:57,420 --> 01:45:52,800
this announcement for the space force

2140
01:46:00,210 --> 01:45:57,430
came I thought about aliens first and

2141
01:46:03,300 --> 01:46:00,220
the reason why is because if we need

2142
01:46:06,120 --> 01:46:03,310
defense defensive measures in place for

2143
01:46:09,150 --> 01:46:06,130
our satellites I'm assuming they're

2144
01:46:11,130 --> 01:46:09,160
already there I'm assuming we already

2145
01:46:14,400 --> 01:46:11,140
have that space force and if we don't

2146
01:46:15,750 --> 01:46:14,410
what are we spending our money on so I

2147
01:46:20,130 --> 01:46:15,760
went the other way

2148
01:46:22,560 --> 01:46:20,140
I went I went straight alien yeah more

2149
01:46:25,740 --> 01:46:22,570
power to you for sure definitely I mean

2150
01:46:28,440 --> 01:46:25,750
you know whatever whatever it is that

2151
01:46:31,410 --> 01:46:28,450
excites your sensibility and invigorates

2152
01:46:34,020 --> 01:46:31,420
your spirit more power to you now I

2153
01:46:39,510 --> 01:46:34,030
wanted to get back to the movie there

2154
01:46:41,970 --> 01:46:39,520
was a scene in the movie that nailed me

2155
01:46:45,090 --> 01:46:41,980
and the way that you handled it was

2156
01:46:47,690 --> 01:46:45,100
spot-on and it was the scene where

2157
01:46:49,170 --> 01:46:47,700
you're looking at the photographs and

2158
01:46:53,550 --> 01:46:49,180
you went

2159
01:46:56,220 --> 01:46:53,560
aha okay tell the audience about that

2160
01:46:57,480 --> 01:46:56,230
scene and what you looked at in this

2161
01:46:58,830 --> 01:46:57,490
photograph we'll talk about what

2162
01:47:00,960 --> 01:46:58,840
happened after that

2163
01:47:04,710 --> 01:47:00,970
but you're looking at these photographs

2164
01:47:05,460 --> 01:47:04,720
and you weren't necessarily buying what

2165
01:47:09,000 --> 01:47:05,470
he was selling

2166
01:47:10,710 --> 01:47:09,010
were you right no larious because in the

2167
01:47:14,400 --> 01:47:10,720
photograph what you referred to I think

2168
01:47:18,000 --> 01:47:14,410
there is a in the sky there's some UFOs

2169
01:47:21,720 --> 01:47:18,010
and you can you look you can see it's

2170
01:47:22,529 --> 01:47:21,730
kind of like these fuzzy or hazy squares

2171
01:47:25,640 --> 01:47:22,539
or what

2172
01:47:28,890 --> 01:47:25,650
the UFOs as if that was it was a

2173
01:47:33,359 --> 01:47:28,900
manipulated photographs very obviously

2174
01:47:36,450 --> 01:47:33,369
so that's what it was a cut-and-paste to

2175
01:47:40,169 --> 01:47:36,460
a degree however it was digitally or

2176
01:47:41,970 --> 01:47:40,179
physically done yeah for sure and really

2177
01:47:43,229 --> 01:47:41,980
obvious I'll tell you what man if I was

2178
01:47:46,500 --> 01:47:43,239
trying to prove a point I wouldn't be

2179
01:47:49,649 --> 01:47:46,510
waving those photos around laughing and

2180
01:47:51,720 --> 01:47:49,659
your reaction see this is this is this

2181
01:47:53,850 --> 01:47:51,730
is what was so cool about that scene you

2182
01:47:57,720 --> 01:47:53,860
took one look at it and you were like

2183
01:48:00,600 --> 01:47:57,730
now wait a minute here what do you think

2184
01:48:03,870 --> 01:48:00,610
about that you know and and and you went

2185
01:48:07,470 --> 01:48:03,880
straight there that was a pretty bold

2186
01:48:10,350 --> 01:48:07,480
move when you're singing at a at a UFO

2187
01:48:11,819 --> 01:48:10,360
conference right and and he's handing

2188
01:48:13,589 --> 01:48:11,829
you these photographs and then you

2189
01:48:17,580 --> 01:48:13,599
suddenly call him out was it an

2190
01:48:21,240 --> 01:48:17,590
uncomfortable moment not for me it was

2191
01:48:24,149 --> 01:48:21,250
funny it was it was great actually

2192
01:48:28,229 --> 01:48:24,159
and then what happened what happened

2193
01:48:31,049 --> 01:48:28,239
next I don't know good memory you tell

2194
01:48:32,759 --> 01:48:31,059
me okay I love it when you ask me the

2195
01:48:36,120 --> 01:48:32,769
questions that's cool you know what in

2196
01:48:38,160 --> 01:48:36,130
the next break of radio host a radio

2197
01:48:40,319 --> 01:48:38,170
host I'm gonna let you ask me questions

2198
01:48:45,209 --> 01:48:40,329
that's not the thing we're gonna throw

2199
01:48:49,080 --> 01:48:45,219
this leg around is is you said what is

2200
01:48:52,379 --> 01:48:49,090
this square area around the photograph

2201
01:48:54,810 --> 01:48:52,389
and he said well look at it and you said

2202
01:48:56,640 --> 01:48:54,820
I did and then he said well then look at

2203
01:48:58,350 --> 01:48:56,650
this other one and your response was I

2204
01:49:00,430 --> 01:48:58,360
don't want to look at another photograph

2205
01:49:02,870 --> 01:49:00,440
I'm talking about this one right here

2206
01:49:06,209 --> 01:49:02,880
[Laughter]

2207
01:49:09,509 --> 01:49:06,219
yeah what is going on can't you see the

2208
01:49:13,439 --> 01:49:09,519
square area now this was with UFO Bob

2209
01:49:16,379 --> 01:49:13,449
now do you think the UFO Bob you pointed

2210
01:49:19,680 --> 01:49:16,389
it out to him was he in denial do you

2211
01:49:23,640 --> 01:49:19,690
think about what you were showing him or

2212
01:49:28,859 --> 01:49:23,650
do you think that he knew that it was

2213
01:49:31,620 --> 01:49:28,869
manipulated III think he believed the

2214
01:49:34,020 --> 01:49:31,630
photograph I think that he was into it

2215
01:49:36,420 --> 01:49:34,030
and that's that's what I felt I felt

2216
01:49:39,540 --> 01:49:36,430
that he was he actually believed

2217
01:49:42,240 --> 01:49:39,550
that that photograph was real yes that's

2218
01:49:44,430 --> 01:49:42,250
what I believe now describe because you

2219
01:49:47,910 --> 01:49:44,440
don't show the close-up of the

2220
01:49:49,560 --> 01:49:47,920
photograph in the film and so it looked

2221
01:49:52,710 --> 01:49:49,570
like there was a landscape and you could

2222
01:49:56,820 --> 01:49:52,720
see some blue sky there what was it was

2223
01:49:59,210 --> 01:49:56,830
it some 1950s flying saucer in there I

2224
01:50:01,050 --> 01:49:59,220
mean what was it what was in the picture

2225
01:50:02,550 --> 01:50:01,060
yeah I think it looks like our

2226
01:50:05,190 --> 01:50:02,560
conventional take on what a flying

2227
01:50:07,320 --> 01:50:05,200
saucer would look like I mean I have no

2228
01:50:09,090 --> 01:50:07,330
memory of that at this point but as far

2229
01:50:11,340 --> 01:50:09,100
as I remember it was kind of like a

2230
01:50:14,430 --> 01:50:11,350
classic interpretation of a flying

2231
01:50:16,250 --> 01:50:14,440
saucer and a very fuzzy sort of way

2232
01:50:19,860 --> 01:50:16,260
indistinguishable and indistinguishable

2233
01:50:21,540 --> 01:50:19,870
sort of way yeah and what do you and the

2234
01:50:24,450 --> 01:50:21,550
reason why I'm bringing this up mark is

2235
01:50:26,070 --> 01:50:24,460
because today and I know you don't spend

2236
01:50:27,960 --> 01:50:26,080
a whole lot of time on the internet and

2237
01:50:30,750 --> 01:50:27,970
and surfing for this kind of stuff but

2238
01:50:34,020 --> 01:50:30,760
today you're a filmmaker you know how

2239
01:50:36,780 --> 01:50:34,030
easy it is with computer graphics and

2240
01:50:41,970 --> 01:50:36,790
motion how easy it is to manipulate

2241
01:50:44,850 --> 01:50:41,980
something and and add it to a a sequence

2242
01:50:49,230 --> 01:50:44,860
it's it's very easy to do and so today

2243
01:50:52,700 --> 01:50:49,240
right there is a lot of fake UFO footage

2244
01:50:56,400 --> 01:50:52,710
out there it is all over the internet

2245
01:50:59,910 --> 01:50:56,410
woody well and I know that you don't see

2246
01:51:03,360 --> 01:50:59,920
it enough but what do you think that

2247
01:51:08,550 --> 01:51:03,370
does for society when so many people

2248
01:51:13,260 --> 01:51:08,560
just like UFO Bob is is seemingly okay

2249
01:51:15,480 --> 01:51:13,270
with it right and they they will they'll

2250
01:51:18,780 --> 01:51:15,490
look at it and they probably know it's

2251
01:51:21,330 --> 01:51:18,790
not real but they are going to accept it

2252
01:51:23,910 --> 01:51:21,340
as real there are there are videos out

2253
01:51:26,220 --> 01:51:23,920
there on YouTube that have a million

2254
01:51:28,560 --> 01:51:26,230
views right a million and we have

2255
01:51:32,100 --> 01:51:28,570
500,000 views and I look at the video

2256
01:51:34,110 --> 01:51:32,110
and I go well that's the fakest fake

2257
01:51:37,290 --> 01:51:34,120
thing I've ever seen but you look at the

2258
01:51:39,990 --> 01:51:37,300
the comments UFOs are here we are not

2259
01:51:41,910 --> 01:51:40,000
alone this is amazing I can't believe

2260
01:51:44,670 --> 01:51:41,920
I'm watching this and I'm just thinking

2261
01:51:48,240 --> 01:51:44,680
to myself everybody can't be that

2262
01:51:51,420 --> 01:51:48,250
gullible what do you think is going on

2263
01:51:55,150 --> 01:51:51,430
well I think that there's just a certain

2264
01:51:58,240 --> 01:51:55,160
curiosity whether people are just

2265
01:52:00,600 --> 01:51:58,250
curious it incites our curiosity and

2266
01:52:02,980 --> 01:52:00,610
that's simply what's going on whether

2267
01:52:04,840 --> 01:52:02,990
you know they do I think they want to

2268
01:52:06,670 --> 01:52:04,850
test their own sensibilities to see

2269
01:52:09,850 --> 01:52:06,680
themselves with his fake could this

2270
01:52:13,870 --> 01:52:09,860
possibly be real you know there's that

2271
01:52:16,300 --> 01:52:13,880
particular excitement and then I think

2272
01:52:18,040 --> 01:52:16,310
it's just a matter of curiosity and

2273
01:52:23,070 --> 01:52:18,050
testing their sensibilities at that

2274
01:52:28,060 --> 01:52:23,080
point when when you go back and look at

2275
01:52:29,410 --> 01:52:28,070
the volume of UFO photographs that have

2276
01:52:33,160 --> 01:52:29,420
been taken over the years you know of

2277
01:52:35,680 --> 01:52:33,170
1940s 1950s 1960s 70s you know to this

2278
01:52:38,830 --> 01:52:35,690
day but the original stuff on film with

2279
01:52:40,810 --> 01:52:38,840
the film camera lots of stuff out there

2280
01:52:43,240 --> 01:52:40,820
there's lots there's just books and

2281
01:52:45,790 --> 01:52:43,250
volumes of it out there and and and and

2282
01:52:47,470 --> 01:52:45,800
film footage too as well oh I want to

2283
01:52:49,510 --> 01:52:47,480
talk to you the difference between film

2284
01:52:52,180 --> 01:52:49,520
and and movie we're gonna do that in a

2285
01:52:54,600 --> 01:52:52,190
second but there's a lot of film out

2286
01:52:59,880 --> 01:52:54,610
there and that I appreciate the most

2287
01:53:03,340 --> 01:52:59,890
today we don't have the volume of

2288
01:53:07,420 --> 01:53:03,350
photographs that we had from the 40s 50s

2289
01:53:09,430 --> 01:53:07,430
60s and 70s why do you think that is do

2290
01:53:12,070 --> 01:53:09,440
you think that it's because we're not

2291
01:53:14,590 --> 01:53:12,080
being visited as much anymore or that

2292
01:53:16,840 --> 01:53:14,600
it's a different kind of craft or that

2293
01:53:19,600 --> 01:53:16,850
everything that was taken in the 40s 50s

2294
01:53:23,410 --> 01:53:19,610
and 60s were hubcaps that were thrown in

2295
01:53:25,960 --> 01:53:23,420
the air and frisbees what do you think

2296
01:53:29,970 --> 01:53:25,970
is going on okay are you saying there's

2297
01:53:34,570 --> 01:53:29,980
anything there's more or less footage

2298
01:53:36,820 --> 01:53:34,580
well rim the the photographs that were

2299
01:53:38,710 --> 01:53:36,830
taken in the 40s 50 60 you know flying

2300
01:53:40,750 --> 01:53:38,720
saucers you brought it up you know you

2301
01:53:45,040 --> 01:53:40,760
set it right the classic flying saucer

2302
01:53:48,940 --> 01:53:45,050
we don't have that today right I don't

2303
01:53:51,910 --> 01:53:48,950
see pictures of flying saucers you know

2304
01:53:54,790 --> 01:53:51,920
I'll see plasma or I'll see a triangle

2305
01:53:58,060 --> 01:53:54,800
craft but I don't see the flying saucers

2306
01:54:01,120 --> 01:53:58,070
with the dome on the top right right and

2307
01:54:01,990 --> 01:54:01,130
and and and and I think that's very very

2308
01:54:04,960 --> 01:54:02,000
informative

2309
01:54:07,780 --> 01:54:04,970
you see our narrative has change it's

2310
01:54:11,740 --> 01:54:07,790
just like bell-bottoms the flares the

2311
01:54:14,740 --> 01:54:11,750
bootcut the straight leg that happened

2312
01:54:19,960 --> 01:54:14,750
within maybe 15 years or so as our

2313
01:54:24,580 --> 01:54:19,970
fashions change and our the way that we

2314
01:54:26,560 --> 01:54:24,590
want to show UFOs has changed and the 50

2315
01:54:29,590 --> 01:54:26,570
that was flying discs and so forth and

2316
01:54:32,530 --> 01:54:29,600
that ended laughing into the into the 70

2317
01:54:36,070 --> 01:54:32,540
then the narrative had the shift and we

2318
01:54:38,850 --> 01:54:36,080
created new ideas of what UFOs would

2319
01:54:42,850 --> 01:54:38,860
look like it's not going to work anymore

2320
01:54:45,520 --> 01:54:42,860
to show flying saucers because we've

2321
01:54:49,660 --> 01:54:45,530
grown tired of that narrative now we

2322
01:54:52,750 --> 01:54:49,670
have to form new crafts that look

2323
01:54:55,720 --> 01:54:52,760
different so that's why you've seen that

2324
01:54:59,910 --> 01:54:55,730
chip because people got tired of the of

2325
01:55:03,790 --> 01:54:59,920
the 50 style and and nowaday it created

2326
01:55:07,600 --> 01:55:03,800
for vehicles and so forth for the

2327
01:55:11,950 --> 01:55:07,610
billions to mover about it so simple is

2328
01:55:14,230 --> 01:55:11,960
that you think so so it's pop culture it

2329
01:55:17,950 --> 01:55:14,240
is that's a death hole that it it's just

2330
01:55:20,950 --> 01:55:17,960
like you know fins on cars in the 50s it

2331
01:55:23,140 --> 01:55:20,960
they gradually disappeared in the

2332
01:55:25,900 --> 01:55:23,150
sixties and the narrative shifted and

2333
01:55:28,510 --> 01:55:25,910
then the cars and the 70s got jacked up

2334
01:55:30,640 --> 01:55:28,520
and back and you know I just did same

2335
01:55:34,480 --> 01:55:30,650
with the way that we want to perceive

2336
01:55:36,370 --> 01:55:34,490
our UFOs we mean we need that chip so

2337
01:55:37,630 --> 01:55:36,380
it's corny now to see those fists and

2338
01:55:39,730 --> 01:55:37,640
we're not going to see those anymore

2339
01:55:42,730 --> 01:55:39,740
what were they do we want we need

2340
01:55:44,830 --> 01:55:42,740
something else wrong yeah yeah I hear

2341
01:55:46,150 --> 01:55:44,840
you on that and when you were doing the

2342
01:55:48,760 --> 01:55:46,160
interviews we got about three minutes

2343
01:55:50,860 --> 01:55:48,770
for this when you were doing the

2344
01:55:53,110 --> 01:55:50,870
interviews for the dundee project and

2345
01:55:55,090 --> 01:55:53,120
you're setting up and you're asking the

2346
01:55:58,060 --> 01:55:55,100
questions and you're you know you're

2347
01:56:00,790 --> 01:55:58,070
you're doing your interviews what kind

2348
01:56:03,670 --> 01:56:00,800
of craft were they seeing what was it

2349
01:56:05,800 --> 01:56:03,680
that they were describing well these

2350
01:56:09,160 --> 01:56:05,810
were these were larger craft these are

2351
01:56:13,270 --> 01:56:09,170
actually habitable crafts I'm one guy

2352
01:56:15,700 --> 01:56:13,280
that I was interviewing said that the

2353
01:56:18,550 --> 01:56:15,710
craft of that least I'm not sure it was

2354
01:56:21,370 --> 01:56:18,560
the size of the city of Chicago or

2355
01:56:23,980 --> 01:56:21,380
something like that that he was at many

2356
01:56:27,670 --> 01:56:23,990
many times so with all of these guys

2357
01:56:30,430 --> 01:56:27,680
it's it's far larger crafts and the

2358
01:56:33,910 --> 01:56:30,440
usual disks for sure that these are

2359
01:56:36,100 --> 01:56:33,920
places where people alien people conduct

2360
01:56:36,640 --> 01:56:36,110
their own experiments and their lives as

2361
01:56:40,060 --> 01:56:36,650
well

2362
01:56:44,830 --> 01:56:40,070
so what do you what do you think about

2363
01:56:46,660 --> 01:56:44,840
that is it because look I have heard the

2364
01:56:50,910 --> 01:56:46,670
same things that you're describing right

2365
01:56:53,770 --> 01:56:50,920
now right and a lot of it and there are

2366
01:56:55,780 --> 01:56:53,780
tens of thousands if not millions of

2367
01:56:59,440 --> 01:56:55,790
people on this planet that will tell you

2368
01:57:02,970 --> 01:56:59,450
the exact same story is everybody crazy

2369
01:57:06,220 --> 01:57:02,980
or is there something really going on

2370
01:57:09,370 --> 01:57:06,230
none of them are the exact same story

2371
01:57:13,510 --> 01:57:09,380
but what we do is we fuse similarities

2372
01:57:16,600 --> 01:57:13,520
together to heighten our sense of not

2373
01:57:20,080 --> 01:57:16,610
only togetherness but a possibility that

2374
01:57:24,390 --> 01:57:20,090
that this is real and I think for most

2375
01:57:27,730 --> 01:57:24,400
of the people it's some biochemical

2376
01:57:30,280 --> 01:57:27,740
anomaly in their mind that creates these

2377
01:57:32,370 --> 01:57:30,290
hallucinations and but I wouldn't want

2378
01:57:34,720 --> 01:57:32,380
to ever discount that some of this stuff

2379
01:57:38,650 --> 01:57:34,730
actually happens and that people are

2380
01:57:41,290 --> 01:57:38,660
truly visited by other life-forms I I

2381
01:57:43,450 --> 01:57:41,300
would never in a million years discount

2382
01:57:45,580 --> 01:57:43,460
that it was for all I know that's very

2383
01:57:47,920 --> 01:57:45,590
possible and so forth and that people

2384
01:57:50,470 --> 01:57:47,930
haven't taken up in ships and people

2385
01:57:53,830 --> 01:57:50,480
have been visited and have interaction

2386
01:57:56,770 --> 01:57:53,840
with with other life-forms and so I

2387
01:57:59,260 --> 01:57:56,780
think that's just as true as the fact

2388
01:58:01,810 --> 01:57:59,270
that most of these people have like I

2389
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say biochemical deficiencies and are

2390
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triggering these hallucinations as well

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01:58:10,300 --> 01:58:07,520
so I think it works both ways I guess I

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have a chemical imbalance I knew I had

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issues you know trust me there is

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something going on mark well we'll pick

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this up when we come back we got to take

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a break right here our guest tonight

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filmmaker screenwriter playwright mark

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borchardt is with us

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about of course his new film the dundee

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project this is fade to black i'm used

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again barrier more the scarier I just

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wanted to hear you say it

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welcome back fade to black uphill shimmy

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filmmaker screenwriter playwrights his

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new film is called the dundee project

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02:03:30,929 --> 02:03:28,749
that links fort are up over at jimmy

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church radio.com go and check it out and

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of bonus footage of mark out on the

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festival circuit and i gotta say the

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film is great but the the extras that

2499
02:03:52,679 --> 02:03:50,649
they've included over there mark are

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pretty cool man it's a it's really good

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stuff my aunt my hat's off to you nice

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now okay this is this is one of the

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02:04:05,609 --> 02:04:03,969
things that I find most interesting that

2504
02:04:07,829 --> 02:04:05,619
is going on right now and it started

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02:04:10,649 --> 02:04:07,839
about 10 years ago with the program

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02:04:13,349 --> 02:04:10,659
called ancient aliens which I don't know

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02:04:16,049 --> 02:04:13,359
if you've seen but I don't want baby

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02:04:18,479 --> 02:04:16,059
right if you set that many times you

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02:04:22,979 --> 02:04:18,489
don't watch TV this show ancient aliens

2510
02:04:26,069 --> 02:04:22,989
mark is either number one or number two

2511
02:04:29,159 --> 02:04:26,079
on all of cable television right and

2512
02:04:34,139 --> 02:04:29,169
it's it's huge it's a huge show and what

2513
02:04:36,569 --> 02:04:34,149
it's suggests is that we're not only are

2514
02:04:38,609 --> 02:04:36,579
we not alone but we have been visited a

2515
02:04:41,790 --> 02:04:38,619
lot in the distant past

2516
02:04:44,299 --> 02:04:41,800
you know the pyramids in Egypt or or do

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02:04:47,040 --> 02:04:44,309
you know gobekli tepe or these different

2518
02:04:49,500 --> 02:04:47,050
megalithic monuments that are all around

2519
02:04:52,379 --> 02:04:49,510
the planet there's it and paintings and

2520
02:04:54,750 --> 02:04:52,389
cave carvings and cave paintings that

2521
02:04:57,389 --> 02:04:54,760
that the suggestion of visitation is

2522
02:05:01,259 --> 02:04:57,399
everywhere but what has come along with

2523
02:05:04,560 --> 02:05:01,269
that phenomenon in pop culture is there

2524
02:05:07,819 --> 02:05:04,570
are four or five networks now on cable

2525
02:05:11,969 --> 02:05:07,829
television with nearly twenty

2526
02:05:15,209 --> 02:05:11,979
four-hours-a-day of UFO programming it's

2527
02:05:18,449 --> 02:05:15,219
like everywhere now what does that

2528
02:05:20,579 --> 02:05:18,459
suggest well this is called America this

2529
02:05:23,989 --> 02:05:20,589
is a capitalistic society based on

2530
02:05:26,219 --> 02:05:23,999
advertising that's what it is right and

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02:05:27,510 --> 02:05:26,229
advertisers want to pay for advertising

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02:05:30,300 --> 02:05:27,520
where the

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02:05:34,470 --> 02:05:30,310
most viewers are going to be and that's

2534
02:05:36,960 --> 02:05:34,480
where it's at it's a crazy thing that is

2535
02:05:40,040 --> 02:05:36,970
happening right now in pop culture when

2536
02:05:44,100 --> 02:05:40,050
it comes to the et question and

2537
02:05:46,770 --> 02:05:44,110
visitation what what do you what do you

2538
02:05:49,830 --> 02:05:46,780
make of that I know that you don't watch

2539
02:05:51,630 --> 02:05:49,840
television but certainly the phenomenon

2540
02:05:53,940 --> 02:05:51,640
is there and the network's are

2541
02:05:57,390 --> 02:05:53,950
responding to it look at Netflix for

2542
02:06:00,300 --> 02:05:57,400
example stranger things number one

2543
02:06:03,990 --> 02:06:00,310
program on all of television last year

2544
02:06:05,790 --> 02:06:04,000
stranger things you know what what what

2545
02:06:08,970 --> 02:06:05,800
does that suggest to you about what is

2546
02:06:12,180 --> 02:06:08,980
actually interests in the eighties say

2547
02:06:16,040 --> 02:06:12,190
what oh yeah right the great eighties

2548
02:06:19,020 --> 02:06:16,050
soundtrack to as well and and it was I

2549
02:06:21,960 --> 02:06:19,030
read the New York Times so I'm aware

2550
02:06:24,770 --> 02:06:21,970
aware of television has it from an

2551
02:06:31,700 --> 02:06:24,780
abstract from an abstract and distance

2552
02:06:46,410 --> 02:06:40,530
that is Hobie Cat t-shirts do you

2553
02:06:50,940 --> 02:06:46,420
remember those yeah kind of s it does

2554
02:06:55,740 --> 02:06:50,950
ring a distant Bell yeah and I mean what

2555
02:06:58,650 --> 02:06:55,750
I'm not so sure how to take all of this

2556
02:07:03,720 --> 02:06:58,660
right is it that they are interested in

2557
02:07:06,150 --> 02:07:03,730
the the subject or that they know that

2558
02:07:09,450 --> 02:07:06,160
is that there was something going on and

2559
02:07:12,360 --> 02:07:09,460
underlying all of this throughout the

2560
02:07:14,850 --> 02:07:12,370
world is that everybody's accepted that

2561
02:07:16,010 --> 02:07:14,860
et is here and has been for a very long

2562
02:07:18,990 --> 02:07:16,020
time

2563
02:07:20,730 --> 02:07:19,000
well something going on if they don't

2564
02:07:24,770 --> 02:07:20,740
realize is they're wasting their time

2565
02:07:27,420 --> 02:07:24,780
sit in front of a screen ha ha no wrong

2566
02:07:31,050 --> 02:07:27,430
yeah I don't again like I say I think

2567
02:07:34,100 --> 02:07:31,060
it's just a again a mutual pact of

2568
02:07:36,930 --> 02:07:34,110
collective hysteria that goes from one

2569
02:07:38,400 --> 02:07:36,940
object of desire to the next and so

2570
02:07:41,190 --> 02:07:38,410
forth I mean you know we've been around

2571
02:07:41,520 --> 02:07:41,200
for hundreds of thousands of years and

2572
02:07:44,460 --> 02:07:41,530
this

2573
02:07:47,130 --> 02:07:44,470
nothing you know new Under the Sun so

2574
02:07:49,410 --> 02:07:47,140
yeah that that would be my answer to

2575
02:07:51,960 --> 02:07:49,420
that sorry Jimmy

2576
02:07:54,480 --> 02:07:51,970
no no your see what I find most

2577
02:07:57,540 --> 02:07:54,490
interesting about this mark is that you

2578
02:07:59,940 --> 02:07:57,550
are outside of our community right

2579
02:08:03,810 --> 02:07:59,950
you're outside you happen to make a film

2580
02:08:06,840 --> 02:08:03,820
about our community which is great but

2581
02:08:10,500 --> 02:08:06,850
you're outside of it so getting a fresh

2582
02:08:13,200 --> 02:08:10,510
perspective on how it is viewed from the

2583
02:08:15,570 --> 02:08:13,210
outside looking back in is what we all

2584
02:08:18,830 --> 02:08:15,580
need to hear I'm very interested on all

2585
02:08:21,120 --> 02:08:18,840
of your views on this no absolutely and

2586
02:08:24,840 --> 02:08:21,130
there's another thing that's going on

2587
02:08:28,110 --> 02:08:24,850
too as well which is paranormal TV and

2588
02:08:31,560 --> 02:08:28,120
ghost hunting and and going out and and

2589
02:08:33,660 --> 02:08:31,570
and trying to videotape ghosts inside of

2590
02:08:34,530 --> 02:08:33,670
homes they're like it just like the UFO

2591
02:08:39,690 --> 02:08:34,540
phenomenon

2592
02:08:44,070 --> 02:08:39,700
there is a huge cottage industry huge

2593
02:08:46,350 --> 02:08:44,080
I mean ginormous of paranormal groups

2594
02:08:48,210 --> 02:08:46,360
going out ghost hunting and making a TV

2595
02:08:51,990 --> 02:08:48,220
show about it it's all over the place

2596
02:08:56,340 --> 02:08:52,000
now and I'm not sure how to take this is

2597
02:08:58,800 --> 02:08:56,350
it because we know that there is life

2598
02:09:00,960 --> 02:08:58,810
after death and that goes to real or

2599
02:09:04,610 --> 02:09:00,970
that people just want to be scared you

2600
02:09:07,830 --> 02:09:04,620
know what is it want to be scared I mean

2601
02:09:09,390 --> 02:09:07,840
you know that's how would they know if

2602
02:09:11,370 --> 02:09:09,400
there's like that's their death and I'll

2603
02:09:13,140 --> 02:09:11,380
tell you another thing I'd be far more

2604
02:09:15,480 --> 02:09:13,150
concerned about what you're doing and

2605
02:09:17,910 --> 02:09:15,490
they're here now because once you died

2606
02:09:19,740 --> 02:09:17,920
it's like ding I'm dead man dude there's

2607
02:09:22,020 --> 02:09:19,750
nothing happening here man I should have

2608
02:09:24,900 --> 02:09:22,030
lived those last 80 years like that was

2609
02:09:30,060 --> 02:09:24,910
the only life I had and and which side

2610
02:09:33,150 --> 02:09:30,070
of the fence are you on how would I

2611
02:09:36,720 --> 02:09:33,160
how would I know what happens after you

2612
02:09:39,420 --> 02:09:36,730
die I mean I assumed me just take your

2613
02:09:42,000 --> 02:09:39,430
last last breath and start to rot and so

2614
02:09:45,300 --> 02:09:42,010
on and so forth or who knows maybe your

2615
02:09:47,820 --> 02:09:45,310
your mind continues in that I yeah

2616
02:09:48,930 --> 02:09:47,830
you're asking the wrong guy you know how

2617
02:09:49,830 --> 02:09:48,940
the hell would I know that

2618
02:09:51,930 --> 02:09:49,840
no I'm asked

2619
02:09:56,160 --> 02:09:51,940
the right guy actually because what you

2620
02:09:58,859 --> 02:09:56,170
just said is the exact conundrum right

2621
02:10:04,589 --> 02:09:58,869
that we have been wondering about since

2622
02:10:06,419 --> 02:10:04,599
the dawn of my life thinking man I'm

2623
02:10:07,350 --> 02:10:06,429
glad I got my health my well-being I

2624
02:10:09,089 --> 02:10:07,360
have my wits

2625
02:10:11,669 --> 02:10:09,099
the last thing I'm thinking about is

2626
02:10:17,370 --> 02:10:11,679
what happened after I don't have time

2627
02:10:21,209 --> 02:10:17,380
for that the the possibility of life

2628
02:10:23,939 --> 02:10:21,219
after death or a loved one this is

2629
02:10:27,510 --> 02:10:23,949
another example a loved one coming back

2630
02:10:30,680 --> 02:10:27,520
that has died in your family and coming

2631
02:10:33,629 --> 02:10:30,690
back and possibly visiting you later I

2632
02:10:36,060 --> 02:10:33,639
mean and and so I know for what for what

2633
02:10:39,839 --> 02:10:36,070
for what would be the purpose of that

2634
02:10:46,200 --> 02:10:39,849
this is so interesting sorry could be

2635
02:10:48,180 --> 02:10:46,210
how about just hello and to do that this

2636
02:10:50,700 --> 02:10:48,190
sort of thought 40 foot they were doing

2637
02:10:53,820 --> 02:10:50,710
with their time right right

2638
02:10:56,839 --> 02:10:53,830
have so what you're suggesting here is

2639
02:11:00,390 --> 02:10:56,849
you have never seen a ghost

2640
02:11:07,220 --> 02:11:00,400
not that I'm aware of no and I in again

2641
02:11:10,560 --> 02:11:07,230
like I say i i i actually i based upon

2642
02:11:13,649 --> 02:11:10,570
circumstantial evidence i do believe

2643
02:11:17,399 --> 02:11:13,659
that that that could exist residents

2644
02:11:21,270 --> 02:11:17,409
from the from a previous life i I don't

2645
02:11:25,680 --> 02:11:21,280
doubt that at all and this is this is

2646
02:11:28,410 --> 02:11:25,690
such a great conversation so you are in

2647
02:11:32,910 --> 02:11:28,420
your room you're at night you're trying

2648
02:11:35,580 --> 02:11:32,920
to get to sleep and you see some kind of

2649
02:11:37,680 --> 02:11:35,590
form at the foot of your bed and you sit

2650
02:11:39,870 --> 02:11:37,690
up and you look at it now let's just go

2651
02:11:45,060 --> 02:11:39,880
here for a second and you look and you

2652
02:11:48,810 --> 02:11:45,070
say to yourself that is a ghost that is

2653
02:11:50,490 --> 02:11:48,820
something in my room does that and and

2654
02:11:52,140 --> 02:11:50,500
then it just disappears you wake up the

2655
02:11:56,370 --> 02:11:52,150
next day and you're thinking about what

2656
02:12:00,330 --> 02:11:56,380
just happened does that change you are

2657
02:12:01,350 --> 02:12:00,340
you changed now or are you still the

2658
02:12:03,040 --> 02:12:01,360
same person that's having this

2659
02:12:06,879 --> 02:12:03,050
conversation with me right now

2660
02:12:11,770 --> 02:12:06,889
on the air I think that your changed and

2661
02:12:13,479 --> 02:12:11,780
I think your change probably for the

2662
02:12:16,479 --> 02:12:13,489
rest of your life because you now have

2663
02:12:19,450 --> 02:12:16,489
to consider the ramifications of what

2664
02:12:21,430 --> 02:12:19,460
you just saw and what the implications

2665
02:12:25,120 --> 02:12:21,440
of it so I think I don't think that it

2666
02:12:27,010 --> 02:12:25,130
will haunt you to that great of a degree

2667
02:12:29,859 --> 02:12:27,020
but I think yeah it will definitely

2668
02:12:31,899 --> 02:12:29,869
change your perspective on things for

2669
02:12:35,669 --> 02:12:31,909
sure one of the things and you brought

2670
02:12:38,950 --> 02:12:35,679
this up earlier you suggested that

2671
02:12:41,410 --> 02:12:38,960
science is is solid and you can't you

2672
02:12:44,069 --> 02:12:41,420
can't you know argue with science right

2673
02:12:46,689 --> 02:12:44,079
the amount of you can't you can't argue

2674
02:12:48,939 --> 02:12:46,699
with it at all there's there's nor even

2675
02:12:53,560 --> 02:12:48,949
against science right and so death the

2676
02:12:56,140 --> 02:12:53,570
loot and and today theoretical physicist

2677
02:13:02,560 --> 02:12:56,150
physicist astrophysicist I could go on

2678
02:13:07,209 --> 02:13:02,570
and on and on are now firmly looking

2679
02:13:09,399 --> 02:13:07,219
into a parallel world a multiverse type

2680
02:13:14,290 --> 02:13:09,409
of situation quantum mechanics quantum

2681
02:13:16,959 --> 02:13:14,300
theory qubits where the the atomic

2682
02:13:21,010 --> 02:13:16,969
structure of things operates in another

2683
02:13:23,080 --> 02:13:21,020
version of us that reacts you know next

2684
02:13:25,709 --> 02:13:23,090
to you mark to your right to your left

2685
02:13:28,120 --> 02:13:25,719
our infinite parallel versions of you

2686
02:13:31,060 --> 02:13:28,130
they're just a little bit different

2687
02:13:32,770 --> 02:13:31,070
right and in that world today you had a

2688
02:13:35,530 --> 02:13:32,780
grilled cheese sandwich for lunch and in

2689
02:13:37,629 --> 02:13:35,540
the parallel world you had tomato soup

2690
02:13:40,359 --> 02:13:37,639
you didn't have you know but it still

2691
02:13:43,629 --> 02:13:40,369
looks like you you know it's almost and

2692
02:13:47,280 --> 02:13:43,639
they are okay with that because quantum

2693
02:13:50,200 --> 02:13:47,290
and qubits and atomic particles are

2694
02:13:52,870 --> 02:13:50,210
entangled and operating with themselves

2695
02:13:56,649 --> 02:13:52,880
at these great distances now what this

2696
02:14:00,069 --> 02:13:56,659
suggests is not only parallel worlds but

2697
02:14:02,229 --> 02:14:00,079
that there is something right next to

2698
02:14:06,640 --> 02:14:02,239
you right now you just can't see it

2699
02:14:09,780 --> 02:14:06,650
now this is where science is and this

2700
02:14:14,290 --> 02:14:09,790
was science fiction 10 or 20 years ago

2701
02:14:16,810 --> 02:14:14,300
this changes everything doesn't it yeah

2702
02:14:18,370 --> 02:14:16,820
well that's it's completely believable

2703
02:14:22,390 --> 02:14:18,380
and I don't think it changes everything

2704
02:14:25,450 --> 02:14:22,400
in any way shape or form but you know

2705
02:14:27,520 --> 02:14:25,460
there's there's also that that may or

2706
02:14:30,130 --> 02:14:27,530
may not be the case I mean I think that

2707
02:14:32,970 --> 02:14:30,140
it can very very much be the case but

2708
02:14:35,440 --> 02:14:32,980
also scientifically

2709
02:14:38,470 --> 02:14:35,450
everything is actually predetermined

2710
02:14:40,780 --> 02:14:38,480
down to the sub atomic article it can be

2711
02:14:42,790 --> 02:14:40,790
mathematically predetermined from the

2712
02:14:47,800 --> 02:14:42,800
beginning of whatever the beginning is

2713
02:14:51,130 --> 02:14:47,810
because every Breeze in a tree

2714
02:14:52,990 --> 02:14:51,140
everything is is predicted from that

2715
02:14:55,180 --> 02:14:53,000
first splitting of the particle or

2716
02:14:56,550 --> 02:14:55,190
however that came about a very scary

2717
02:14:58,690 --> 02:14:56,560
thought that everything is ultimately

2718
02:15:00,760 --> 02:14:58,700
predetermined know along with the

2719
02:15:03,010 --> 02:15:00,770
parallel universe theory you may have to

2720
02:15:07,050 --> 02:15:03,020
deal with that theory as well and that

2721
02:15:11,320 --> 02:15:07,060
probably is pretty darn true because

2722
02:15:13,720 --> 02:15:11,330
every every subatomic go subatomic

2723
02:15:15,610 --> 02:15:13,730
particle is it's predictable from the

2724
02:15:19,480 --> 02:15:15,620
beginning to the end and it has a

2725
02:15:21,700 --> 02:15:19,490
particular pattern and not one thing can

2726
02:15:24,940 --> 02:15:21,710
be change in any way because even that

2727
02:15:27,880 --> 02:15:24,950
change is part of the prediction so you

2728
02:15:30,970 --> 02:15:27,890
know this might be all predetermined

2729
02:15:35,760 --> 02:15:30,980
down to the down to the split-second

2730
02:15:41,050 --> 02:15:39,100
determine trillion zillions of years ago

2731
02:15:44,170 --> 02:15:41,060
I can raise conversation it's

2732
02:15:46,810 --> 02:15:44,180
unavoidable that's right and in in our

2733
02:15:48,670 --> 02:15:46,820
community where you know freewill is

2734
02:15:51,610 --> 02:15:48,680
something that is discussed online

2735
02:15:54,460 --> 02:15:51,620
pretty well is payment please feel free

2736
02:15:56,380 --> 02:15:54,470
bill would be part of that premeditation

2737
02:15:59,380 --> 02:15:56,390
I know isn't that strange is that a

2738
02:16:01,150 --> 02:15:59,390
paradox right is that it's not a paradox

2739
02:16:03,880 --> 02:16:01,160
because it's ana-lucy will is an

2740
02:16:07,120 --> 02:16:03,890
illusion it's it's a free will is just

2741
02:16:09,910 --> 02:16:07,130
sound waves and it's an idea associated

2742
02:16:13,780 --> 02:16:09,920
with sound waves and so on and so forth

2743
02:16:18,430 --> 02:16:13,790
so it's not as hip as you think it is so

2744
02:16:20,320 --> 02:16:18,440
you are you're on the set you're on the

2745
02:16:22,870 --> 02:16:20,330
set and you're shooting a scene and

2746
02:16:25,090 --> 02:16:22,880
you've got your script in your hand that

2747
02:16:26,610 --> 02:16:25,100
you have rewritten and here we've

2748
02:16:29,010 --> 02:16:26,620
rewritten the page

2749
02:16:32,070 --> 02:16:29,020
ten times and now you're on the set and

2750
02:16:35,790 --> 02:16:32,080
you're shooting and then suddenly you

2751
02:16:38,190 --> 02:16:35,800
decide to change your mind and change a

2752
02:16:41,220 --> 02:16:38,200
line in the dialogue and you are now

2753
02:16:45,959 --> 02:16:41,230
talking to your lead about this change

2754
02:16:49,709 --> 02:16:45,969
on the page is that free will or is that

2755
02:16:53,040 --> 02:16:49,719
predetermined do you know why why do you

2756
02:16:54,810 --> 02:16:53,050
think yeah yet do you think you are

2757
02:16:57,560 --> 02:16:54,820
making a free will decision at that

2758
02:17:01,440 --> 02:16:57,570
point or you were gonna say it anyway

2759
02:17:04,080 --> 02:17:01,450
no cuz that's just a simplistic idea of

2760
02:17:06,600 --> 02:17:04,090
the the matter this is the use of

2761
02:17:10,680 --> 02:17:06,610
language there's the word change we take

2762
02:17:12,990 --> 02:17:10,690
out that word and say modify its oh it's

2763
02:17:15,360 --> 02:17:13,000
just it's just another why don't you say

2764
02:17:16,919 --> 02:17:15,370
it's another action it's everything as

2765
02:17:19,230 --> 02:17:16,929
an action another action that's been

2766
02:17:21,150 --> 02:17:19,240
premeditated take out the word change

2767
02:17:23,640 --> 02:17:21,160
change sound very dramatic like you're

2768
02:17:26,640 --> 02:17:23,650
making this decision well actually

2769
02:17:28,680 --> 02:17:26,650
change just means another action another

2770
02:17:31,410 --> 02:17:28,690
there's that's all it is is another

2771
02:17:34,940 --> 02:17:31,420
action that was in the way you you bet

2772
02:17:37,050 --> 02:17:34,950
behind a simple idea of that word change

2773
02:17:39,959 --> 02:17:37,060
modified into a slightly more

2774
02:17:43,919 --> 02:17:39,969
sophisticated one entitled another

2775
02:17:44,970 --> 02:17:43,929
action that then you again lose the idea

2776
02:17:47,790 --> 02:17:44,980
free will

2777
02:17:49,560 --> 02:17:47,800
yes and I've had what you were saying

2778
02:17:53,870 --> 02:17:49,570
right there I've had this discussion

2779
02:17:56,310 --> 02:17:53,880
with so many people where look I I

2780
02:17:58,770 --> 02:17:56,320
understand the concept of free will I

2781
02:18:02,730 --> 02:17:58,780
understand the community that I'm in and

2782
02:18:06,570 --> 02:18:02,740
I have an open mind but math is math and

2783
02:18:08,970 --> 02:18:06,580
atoms and photons and electrons and

2784
02:18:12,360 --> 02:18:08,980
everything else in that subatomic world

2785
02:18:15,720 --> 02:18:12,370
is going to do what they are going to do

2786
02:18:19,709 --> 02:18:15,730
anyway and your body is made up of the

2787
02:18:21,990 --> 02:18:19,719
same atoms that rocks are and that's the

2788
02:18:24,000 --> 02:18:22,000
universe is good to do what it's you

2789
02:18:26,640 --> 02:18:24,010
think you're making a decision and

2790
02:18:30,120 --> 02:18:26,650
that's fine but you were gonna make that

2791
02:18:32,370 --> 02:18:30,130
decision anyway and I'm going against

2792
02:18:34,950 --> 02:18:32,380
the grain of my own community mark okay

2793
02:18:38,480 --> 02:18:34,960
so and I'm agreeing with you but that's

2794
02:18:40,100 --> 02:18:38,490
a strange concept for most people too

2795
02:18:43,310 --> 02:18:40,110
to digest when it comes to free will

2796
02:18:45,470 --> 02:18:43,320
look at the great song by Rush right

2797
02:18:46,910 --> 02:18:45,480
it's talking about what we're talking

2798
02:18:50,660 --> 02:18:46,920
about right now I'm talking about the

2799
02:18:55,400 --> 02:18:50,670
song free will and do we actually have

2800
02:18:58,550 --> 02:18:55,410
it is free will a real concept or is

2801
02:19:01,490 --> 02:18:58,560
math math and things are gonna play out

2802
02:19:03,500 --> 02:19:01,500
the way that they're gonna play out no

2803
02:19:04,820 --> 02:19:03,510
math is that thing gonna play out the

2804
02:19:06,770 --> 02:19:04,830
way they're gonna play out there there

2805
02:19:10,000 --> 02:19:06,780
is no such thing as free will free will

2806
02:19:12,470 --> 02:19:10,010
is just an illusion because once you

2807
02:19:14,300 --> 02:19:12,480
scientifically examine it for a number

2808
02:19:17,000 --> 02:19:14,310
of seconds you realize it's just these

2809
02:19:20,000 --> 02:19:17,010
Arctic these particles in motion and you

2810
02:19:22,400 --> 02:19:20,010
really you we have nothing to do with it

2811
02:19:24,230 --> 02:19:22,410
essentially you're just part of this the

2812
02:19:27,110 --> 02:19:24,240
machinations of the universe and so

2813
02:19:29,120 --> 02:19:27,120
forth it's okay because within a minute

2814
02:19:30,590 --> 02:19:29,130
we'll forget this free will conversation

2815
02:19:33,290 --> 02:19:30,600
will be back to thinking we have free

2816
02:19:36,080 --> 02:19:33,300
will so it's in a sense it's scary

2817
02:19:38,720 --> 02:19:36,090
because you're into something will in in

2818
02:19:41,150 --> 02:19:38,730
lockstep abstracted from yourself you

2819
02:19:43,220 --> 02:19:41,160
know we think we we just we humanize

2820
02:19:45,080 --> 02:19:43,230
ourselves instantly forget it we think

2821
02:19:47,450 --> 02:19:45,090
we're going about in the world making

2822
02:19:49,850 --> 02:19:47,460
all these decisions so we're so it's

2823
02:19:52,310 --> 02:19:49,860
back to being a ok again you know we're

2824
02:19:55,280 --> 02:19:52,320
in our realm of free will again in my

2825
02:19:57,591 --> 02:19:55,290
mind now everything works out it's all

2826
02:20:01,131 --> 02:19:57,601
right so you sit down you're sitting

2827
02:20:02,990 --> 02:20:01,141
down you're with Geddy Lee right how do

2828
02:20:05,091 --> 02:20:03,000
you have this conversation with Geddy

2829
02:20:09,410 --> 02:20:05,101
Lee are you gonna be able to convince

2830
02:20:11,000 --> 02:20:09,420
him of this no why would I want to do

2831
02:20:13,490 --> 02:20:11,010
that I mean it wouldn't work to my

2832
02:20:15,160 --> 02:20:13,500
benefit it's I'm gonna convince myself a

2833
02:20:17,330 --> 02:20:15,170
if I'm longer a man I'm gonna get that

2834
02:20:19,370 --> 02:20:17,340
stake or something that that's that's

2835
02:20:21,980 --> 02:20:19,380
what I'd be thinking but uh you know

2836
02:20:24,051 --> 02:20:21,990
yeah I mean what what would be the only

2837
02:20:27,400 --> 02:20:24,061
reason why you try to convince anyone of

2838
02:20:30,261 --> 02:20:27,410
anything is if you had some form of

2839
02:20:34,850 --> 02:20:30,271
loneliness and you needed to have some

2840
02:20:36,950 --> 02:20:34,860
form of commiseration with someone there

2841
02:20:39,320 --> 02:20:36,960
are people that do need our

2842
02:20:41,870 --> 02:20:39,330
psychological leads that continue to

2843
02:20:43,730 --> 02:20:41,880
convince people of things and it's a

2844
02:20:45,830 --> 02:20:43,740
psychological need and there's other

2845
02:20:47,690 --> 02:20:45,840
people who who could care less they're

2846
02:20:51,380 --> 02:20:47,700
their own entity that's just the way it

2847
02:20:54,710 --> 02:20:51,390
plays out do you deal with that

2848
02:20:56,840 --> 02:20:54,720
same mindset with those that are around

2849
02:20:59,119 --> 02:20:56,850
you friends family coworkers

2850
02:21:02,000 --> 02:20:59,129
when this discussion comes up because it

2851
02:21:04,790 --> 02:21:02,010
I'm sure it comes up a lot what

2852
02:21:07,760 --> 02:21:04,800
discussion the discussion of free will

2853
02:21:12,439 --> 02:21:07,770
or that we are the first time I've ever

2854
02:21:13,909 --> 02:21:12,449
had it no yeah it's the first time I've

2855
02:21:17,149 --> 02:21:13,919
ever had it the best of my recollection

2856
02:21:20,599 --> 02:21:17,159
I don't in 52 years I do not remember

2857
02:21:23,540 --> 02:21:20,609
discussing this and you're you're so

2858
02:21:26,809 --> 02:21:23,550
elegant in your in your description and

2859
02:21:28,819 --> 02:21:26,819
of where you are at with this but you've

2860
02:21:31,969 --> 02:21:28,829
never had this conversation before or

2861
02:21:34,069 --> 02:21:31,979
thought about it well I thought about it

2862
02:21:36,889 --> 02:21:34,079
the best of my knowledge I have not had

2863
02:21:39,439 --> 02:21:36,899
this conversation I'm about free world

2864
02:21:42,529 --> 02:21:39,449
and may have occurred I have no memory

2865
02:21:48,859 --> 02:21:42,539
of it now as we start to wrap up here I

2866
02:21:51,969 --> 02:21:48,869
wanted to end on this the the world the

2867
02:21:55,369 --> 02:21:51,979
world not only our country our world

2868
02:21:59,269 --> 02:21:55,379
Milwaukee right our world there's a lot

2869
02:22:02,179 --> 02:21:59,279
of there's a lot of division right now

2870
02:22:06,469 --> 02:22:02,189
that is going on where I don't I never

2871
02:22:08,899 --> 02:22:06,479
felt it like this you're 52 I'm 55

2872
02:22:12,619 --> 02:22:08,909
you know we've grown up in the same

2873
02:22:14,960 --> 02:22:12,629
general area too as well I've never felt

2874
02:22:18,469 --> 02:22:14,970
it like this what do you think is

2875
02:22:20,479 --> 02:22:18,479
causing these friends and neighbors and

2876
02:22:21,409 --> 02:22:20,489
people and people that don't even know

2877
02:22:25,130 --> 02:22:21,419
each other

2878
02:22:27,349 --> 02:22:25,140
right now to just get so polarized and

2879
02:22:29,029 --> 02:22:27,359
I'm the opposite sides and in this

2880
02:22:32,960 --> 02:22:29,039
division that is going on what do you

2881
02:22:34,719 --> 02:22:32,970
think is happening not that because that

2882
02:22:37,969 --> 02:22:34,729
that's actually not occurring that's

2883
02:22:40,369 --> 02:22:37,979
it's a topic of conversation through the

2884
02:22:43,250 --> 02:22:40,379
newspaper and the electronic beauty in

2885
02:22:45,559 --> 02:22:43,260
that what what when that did occur was

2886
02:22:48,309 --> 02:22:45,569
in the sixties and seventies with the

2887
02:22:51,349 --> 02:22:48,319
generation gap where there was actual

2888
02:22:54,439 --> 02:22:51,359
divisiveness between generations and

2889
02:22:56,750 --> 02:22:54,449
ideology and that was at its apex and

2890
02:22:59,659 --> 02:22:56,760
this is this is not really true to says

2891
02:23:02,920 --> 02:22:59,669
more hallucinatory and it's it's now a

2892
02:23:05,331 --> 02:23:02,930
hobby of people to think this and it's

2893
02:23:08,541 --> 02:23:05,341
continually embellished by

2894
02:23:12,261 --> 02:23:08,551
the newspaper and TV and so forth in it

2895
02:23:13,640 --> 02:23:12,271
and it's it it's it's this goes along

2896
02:23:16,640 --> 02:23:13,650
with a whole range of topics where

2897
02:23:18,381 --> 02:23:16,650
people just go on to it and they repeat

2898
02:23:22,310 --> 02:23:18,391
things and it begin begins to

2899
02:23:25,190 --> 02:23:22,320
metastasize and the collective you know

2900
02:23:29,301 --> 02:23:25,200
motions and and we're so yeah that it

2901
02:23:31,551 --> 02:23:29,311
doesn't really exist but it's something

2902
02:23:33,770 --> 02:23:31,561
to occupy people's minds when they're

2903
02:23:35,661 --> 02:23:33,780
not when they should actually be writing

2904
02:23:37,730 --> 02:23:35,671
the Great American Novel or something

2905
02:23:40,251 --> 02:23:37,740
like that but this divisiveness doesn't

2906
02:23:43,671 --> 02:23:40,261
exist it only exists in hallucinatory

2907
02:23:45,610 --> 02:23:43,681
terms but it did candidly exist in the

2908
02:23:48,621 --> 02:23:45,620
sixties and seventies where it was like

2909
02:23:51,350 --> 02:23:48,631
empirical it was going down right right

2910
02:23:56,020 --> 02:23:51,360
and what do you think is the agenda for

2911
02:24:02,631 --> 02:23:59,301
because you keep repeating it and then

2912
02:24:06,140 --> 02:24:02,641
the television patients in the print ads

2913
02:24:08,121 --> 02:24:06,150
they bolster their membership their

2914
02:24:10,041 --> 02:24:08,131
readership and then they can charge the

2915
02:24:13,220 --> 02:24:10,051
advertiser more hey we've got a million

2916
02:24:15,470 --> 02:24:13,230
people watching in you you need to we're

2917
02:24:20,390 --> 02:24:15,480
jacking up our ad rates so as long as

2918
02:24:22,190 --> 02:24:20,400
the 98 percent you know believe in this

2919
02:24:23,020 --> 02:24:22,200
and get into this there there's money to

2920
02:24:27,381 --> 02:24:23,030
be made

2921
02:24:29,541 --> 02:24:27,391
and I see it going on it's like they're

2922
02:24:33,411 --> 02:24:29,551
pushing it right they're pushing it

2923
02:24:36,350 --> 02:24:33,421
there they're forcing it on to us that

2924
02:24:39,531 --> 02:24:36,360
we are divided you should be angry you

2925
02:24:41,810 --> 02:24:39,541
should hate you should start these

2926
02:24:44,301 --> 02:24:41,820
arguments and it's it's it's a crazy

2927
02:24:46,190 --> 02:24:44,311
thing for us to sit back and witness and

2928
02:24:49,190 --> 02:24:46,200
watch it going on and you have to ask

2929
02:24:53,091 --> 02:24:49,200
yourself or me it does not exist again

2930
02:24:55,520 --> 02:24:53,101
like I say it alters the subscribers

2931
02:24:58,011 --> 02:24:55,530
because it gets everyone talking about

2932
02:25:00,081 --> 02:24:58,021
it it continues to be of interest and

2933
02:25:02,091 --> 02:25:00,091
they can jack up those so the ad rates

2934
02:25:05,031 --> 02:25:02,101
no and I'm not saying that in

2935
02:25:08,661 --> 02:25:05,041
conspiratorial terms but there is a

2936
02:25:10,341 --> 02:25:08,671
economic reason for this because it as

2937
02:25:13,211 --> 02:25:10,351
long as you can keep this collective

2938
02:25:16,491 --> 02:25:13,221
hysteria going and reap the financial

2939
02:25:18,770 --> 02:25:16,501
rewards from it a new shows and such

2940
02:25:21,200 --> 02:25:18,780
this is propaganda

2941
02:25:22,970 --> 02:25:21,210
we'll continue I mean I'm not down with

2942
02:25:24,830 --> 02:25:22,980
it I know that it doesn't it I mean

2943
02:25:27,410 --> 02:25:24,840
exist to some degrees of course

2944
02:25:29,480 --> 02:25:27,420
absolutely can't deny that but not in

2945
02:25:33,130 --> 02:25:29,490
the way that it's being embellished

2946
02:25:35,570 --> 02:25:33,140
because for them 90% of the people are

2947
02:25:38,240 --> 02:25:35,580
functionally they're they're normal and

2948
02:25:40,880 --> 02:25:38,250
you know it's you're you're just talking

2949
02:25:43,460 --> 02:25:40,890
about a small part of the populace and

2950
02:25:46,700 --> 02:25:43,470
then creating this hysteria like it's

2951
02:25:49,040 --> 02:25:46,710
the majority when it's just a very small

2952
02:25:53,270 --> 02:25:49,050
amount of people actually involved in

2953
02:25:56,210 --> 02:25:53,280
such negative clinics so aged so well

2954
02:26:01,360 --> 02:25:56,220
said mark and I really appreciate that

2955
02:26:08,000 --> 02:26:05,390
yeah they can go to my twitter at more

2956
02:26:11,720 --> 02:26:08,010
the scarier or facebook at mark dot

2957
02:26:15,550 --> 02:26:11,730
Borchert dot ninety-six and then go to

2958
02:26:18,350 --> 02:26:15,560
the they can visit the dundee project

2959
02:26:21,170 --> 02:26:18,360
calm and and check out a copy of the

2960
02:26:23,090 --> 02:26:21,180
dundee project and i'm gonna you know

2961
02:26:26,360 --> 02:26:23,100
one of the next things I'm going down to

2962
02:26:29,060 --> 02:26:26,370
Houston and shooting a music video with

2963
02:26:30,410 --> 02:26:29,070
Marci Martha's eerie and it's an inner

2964
02:26:32,270 --> 02:26:30,420
thing that I've been doing is there's a

2965
02:26:34,730 --> 02:26:32,280
lot of music video that I did sleeper

2966
02:26:37,100 --> 02:26:34,740
sound and tenement and frontmen and the

2967
02:26:39,500 --> 02:26:37,110
afterthoughts and you know so that's

2968
02:26:41,360 --> 02:26:39,510
another way that I that just engage with

2969
02:26:43,190 --> 02:26:41,370
people is through these creative

2970
02:26:45,650 --> 02:26:43,200
projects and they can follow all of that

2971
02:26:47,750 --> 02:26:45,660
at those faces that I've told you as

2972
02:26:49,340 --> 02:26:47,760
well thank you so much and I look

2973
02:26:51,560 --> 02:26:49,350
forward to having you back on the

2974
02:26:54,770 --> 02:26:51,570
program and I'm just gonna tell you

2975
02:26:59,570 --> 02:26:54,780
right now if you ever want me on cinema

2976
02:27:01,130 --> 02:26:59,580
fireside it would be an honor well then

2977
02:27:03,680 --> 02:27:01,140
we'll do that because that life's too

2978
02:27:05,720 --> 02:27:03,690
short to play game so we'll look forward

2979
02:27:06,260 --> 02:27:05,730
to doing that Jimmy thank you so much

2980
02:27:09,440 --> 02:27:06,270
mark

2981
02:27:11,570 --> 02:27:09,450
I look forward so much to this

2982
02:27:13,400 --> 02:27:11,580
conversation it was all of that and much

2983
02:27:16,220 --> 02:27:13,410
more for me in the audience thank you so

2984
02:27:18,170 --> 02:27:16,230
much and enjoy the cold up there

2985
02:27:21,560 --> 02:27:18,180
I know it's December the holidays are

2986
02:27:28,910 --> 02:27:21,570
coming you're in Milwaukee how much snow

2987
02:27:30,710 --> 02:27:28,920
is up there right now none none it's a

2988
02:27:32,120 --> 02:27:30,720
nasty cold right now because of that

2989
02:27:36,260 --> 02:27:32,130
moisture

2990
02:27:38,179 --> 02:27:36,270
but the snow has yet to arrive so right

2991
02:27:41,420 --> 02:27:38,189
now it's a blessing that it's not here

2992
02:27:44,570 --> 02:27:41,430
yet there's nothing like when you stand

2993
02:27:47,719 --> 02:27:44,580
out and and face the wind off of Lake

2994
02:27:49,550 --> 02:27:47,729
Michigan you have never felt cold until

2995
02:27:52,639 --> 02:27:49,560
you have experienced that and I don't

2996
02:27:54,290 --> 02:27:52,649
care who you are yeah and you are

2997
02:27:55,910 --> 02:27:54,300
exactly right because I've experienced

2998
02:27:58,310 --> 02:27:55,920
that in the morning off Lake Michigan

2999
02:28:00,950 --> 02:27:58,320
and it is a work one of the worst things

3000
02:28:03,020 --> 02:28:00,960
in the world if you never thaw out thank

3001
02:28:04,870 --> 02:28:03,030
you so much Marc be safe and be well and

3002
02:28:07,820 --> 02:28:04,880
Happy Holidays to you

3003
02:28:11,090 --> 02:28:07,830
theology to me thank you so much great

3004
02:28:13,790 --> 02:28:11,100
conversation Marc Borchardt again it's

3005
02:28:16,670 --> 02:28:13,800
more the scarier on Twitter at more the

3006
02:28:19,400 --> 02:28:16,680
scarier Facebook is over at Jimmy church

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radio calm and of course the links for

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the Dundee project are right there for

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you

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and the bonus stuff is really great too

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as well our meals Jimmy Church says fade

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to black I'm gonna get out of here and

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come back after this break and take some

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phone calls I'll be right back stay with

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my boy Jimmy Church Jimmy Church

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[Music]

3099
02:33:18,720 --> 02:33:16,230
sorry welcome back fade to black I'm

3100
02:33:24,210 --> 02:33:18,730
here to be church and I can't keep my

3101
02:33:27,900 --> 02:33:24,220
chair up can't keep it up it's just it's

3102
02:33:30,810 --> 02:33:27,910
time for a new chair you guys remember I

3103
02:33:34,440 --> 02:33:30,820
want to thank Mark aboard an amazing

3104
02:33:37,530 --> 02:33:34,450
conversation tonight and I really look

3105
02:33:39,600 --> 02:33:37,540
forward to this and if if you're

3106
02:33:41,700 --> 02:33:39,610
familiar with mark and and you

3107
02:33:42,780 --> 02:33:41,710
understand where he isn't worried you

3108
02:33:45,301 --> 02:33:42,790
know who he is and where it's coming

3109
02:33:48,660 --> 02:33:45,311
from then you totally got and enjoyed

3110
02:33:51,480 --> 02:33:48,670
this conversation tonight because he is

3111
02:33:52,830 --> 02:33:51,490
a very talented very unique individual

3112
02:33:56,390 --> 02:33:52,840
and I want to thank him for that I've

3113
02:34:00,240 --> 02:33:56,400
man I enjoyed every minute every word of

3114
02:34:01,350 --> 02:34:00,250
the conversation tonight that being said

3115
02:34:03,870 --> 02:34:01,360
I wanted to get that out of the way

3116
02:34:06,680 --> 02:34:03,880
before I I'm not gonna lose my thought

3117
02:34:10,110 --> 02:34:06,690
do you guys remember the squeaky chair

3118
02:34:12,360 --> 02:34:10,120
remember the squeaky chair back remember

3119
02:34:16,680 --> 02:34:12,370
that and I went through like two chairs

3120
02:34:21,030 --> 02:34:16,690
and in three months the squeaky chair

3121
02:34:24,240 --> 02:34:21,040
and yes I do remember this yes let's see

3122
02:34:27,960 --> 02:34:24,250
the squeaky chair well you know and so I

3123
02:34:32,280 --> 02:34:27,970
went out I got this one dropped all that

3124
02:34:34,051 --> 02:34:32,290
- on it and it's lasted me almost and

3125
02:34:36,900 --> 02:34:34,061
like three four years and it's not

3126
02:34:40,020 --> 02:34:36,910
squeaking look you see it doesn't squeak

3127
02:34:43,530 --> 02:34:40,030
it makes the the arms are a little loose

3128
02:34:47,250 --> 02:34:43,540
now after all these years but I can't it

3129
02:34:49,200 --> 02:34:47,260
won't stay up I've tried every lock

3130
02:34:52,470 --> 02:34:49,210
feature every there's everything it just

3131
02:34:57,000 --> 02:34:52,480
it's just it goes down it's time for a

3132
02:35:00,830 --> 02:34:57,010
new chair you know we got Rita a racing

3133
02:35:04,410 --> 02:35:00,840
chair it's like some kind of Recaro

3134
02:35:06,690 --> 02:35:04,420
Ferrari I forget the brand something

3135
02:35:10,110 --> 02:35:06,700
like that it's a crazy nice chair and

3136
02:35:13,591 --> 02:35:10,120
she's got to go it on so maybe maybe I

3137
02:35:15,450 --> 02:35:13,601
need to upgrade I need to upgrade all

3138
02:35:20,070 --> 02:35:15,460
right I'm opening up the phone lines

3139
02:35:24,450 --> 02:35:20,080
three two three eight to five five zero

3140
02:35:26,881 --> 02:35:24,460
four five or three two three where my

3141
02:35:27,599 --> 02:35:26,891
phone numbers three to three to seven

3142
02:35:33,210 --> 02:35:27,609
five

3143
02:35:35,429 --> 02:35:33,220
nine two one six nine to nine and there

3144
02:35:37,050 --> 02:35:35,439
you go let's uh we've got a few minutes

3145
02:35:38,489 --> 02:35:37,060
left before the end of the show we'll

3146
02:35:40,710 --> 02:35:38,499
open up the conversation let's go to

3147
02:35:46,679 --> 02:35:40,720
every code four zero eight you are up

3148
02:35:48,989 --> 02:35:46,689
I'm fade to black who's calling ID FM

3149
02:35:52,949 --> 02:35:48,999
Sacramento how are you is it snowing up

3150
02:35:56,130 --> 02:35:52,959
there no it's very cold though no snow

3151
02:35:58,880 --> 02:35:56,140
yet yeah we don't get snow very often

3152
02:36:02,399 --> 02:35:58,890
unfortunately I very much enjoyed your

3153
02:36:04,349 --> 02:36:02,409
conversation with Mark and the thing

3154
02:36:06,389 --> 02:36:04,359
that I loved I mean everything he said

3155
02:36:09,750 --> 02:36:06,399
he's such an intelligent person very

3156
02:36:12,510 --> 02:36:09,760
engaging himself I love it when you said

3157
02:36:14,699 --> 02:36:12,520
you know I already know what I know but

3158
02:36:17,790 --> 02:36:14,709
I don't know what other people think and

3159
02:36:20,309 --> 02:36:17,800
so I want to listen to them and I think

3160
02:36:23,489 --> 02:36:20,319
if we all had that attitude we'd all be

3161
02:36:28,109 --> 02:36:23,499
a lot smarter he see that's the thing

3162
02:36:31,319 --> 02:36:28,119
when you have a guy like mark look mark

3163
02:36:35,939 --> 02:36:31,329
is smart right okay so that that that is

3164
02:36:39,029 --> 02:36:35,949
that is the reality of that but and he's

3165
02:36:42,119 --> 02:36:39,039
creative and yes he just completed this

3166
02:36:46,710 --> 02:36:42,129
this short film on what of all things a

3167
02:36:49,889 --> 02:36:46,720
UFO conference right so you know the the

3168
02:36:51,809 --> 02:36:49,899
film comes out I want to know I want to

3169
02:36:53,790 --> 02:36:51,819
know what drew him to the conference I

3170
02:36:56,729 --> 02:36:53,800
want to know when you watch it and you

3171
02:36:59,040 --> 02:36:56,739
see who he's engaged with I want to know

3172
02:37:00,689 --> 02:36:59,050
these things you know the obvious you

3173
02:37:03,149 --> 02:37:00,699
know did you see anything in the skies

3174
02:37:06,510 --> 02:37:03,159
you know do you believe in UFOs okay

3175
02:37:09,840 --> 02:37:06,520
there's that part of it but it's how the

3176
02:37:12,899 --> 02:37:09,850
our community and conferences like this

3177
02:37:15,359 --> 02:37:12,909
and us and UFOs and you are perceived

3178
02:37:19,559 --> 02:37:15,369
outside of our community looking in

3179
02:37:22,050 --> 02:37:19,569
coming from somebody like him so he's

3180
02:37:24,599 --> 02:37:22,060
the absolute perfect guest you know and

3181
02:37:27,059 --> 02:37:24,609
and I want to know it and his answers

3182
02:37:29,429 --> 02:37:27,069
were incredible

3183
02:37:32,159 --> 02:37:29,439
the conversation was incredible and we

3184
02:37:35,309 --> 02:37:32,169
need that perspective it puts his back

3185
02:37:37,679 --> 02:37:35,319
into focus a little bit it's like it's

3186
02:37:39,090 --> 02:37:37,689
like being a Libra right it's the scales

3187
02:37:42,261 --> 02:37:39,100
it's the balance

3188
02:37:44,671 --> 02:37:42,271
it's thiing in the yang

3189
02:37:46,651 --> 02:37:44,681
absolutely man I like that he doesn't

3190
02:37:48,361 --> 02:37:46,661
back down either you know just because

3191
02:37:50,731 --> 02:37:48,371
it's popular somewhere else it's like

3192
02:37:52,711 --> 02:37:50,741
well no but I still you know he stands

3193
02:37:54,600 --> 02:37:52,721
his ground and but he does it with

3194
02:37:56,911 --> 02:37:54,610
respect you know we're not putting other

3195
02:37:59,100 --> 02:37:56,921
people you know I'm a defensive or

3196
02:38:01,531 --> 02:37:59,110
anything he's just offers his opinion

3197
02:38:06,331 --> 02:38:01,541
and you know so I like that too I

3198
02:38:10,201 --> 02:38:06,341
respect that he's been doing that for

3199
02:38:11,371 --> 02:38:10,211
years and that is and I set that tone at

3200
02:38:15,241 --> 02:38:11,381
the beginning of this conversation

3201
02:38:18,901 --> 02:38:15,251
tonight he has never changed right he

3202
02:38:21,390 --> 02:38:18,911
does his thing and you go and he watches

3203
02:38:24,390 --> 02:38:21,400
interviews and you just watch his inner

3204
02:38:26,401 --> 02:38:24,400
end and war watch another documentary or

3205
02:38:31,831 --> 02:38:26,411
things from his past or whatever he is

3206
02:38:34,201 --> 02:38:31,841
the same guy and so once you know what

3207
02:38:35,970 --> 02:38:34,211
he is and and you know what he is about

3208
02:38:38,850 --> 02:38:35,980
and you listen to this conversation

3209
02:38:40,951 --> 02:38:38,860
tonight you got Mark Borchardt in in in

3210
02:38:43,621 --> 02:38:40,961
spades that was a great conversation

3211
02:38:45,451 --> 02:38:43,631
I'll do it again I cannot wait to have

3212
02:38:49,020 --> 02:38:45,461
him back on the show all right you were

3213
02:38:51,180 --> 02:38:49,030
gonna say and then real quick

3214
02:38:52,921 --> 02:38:51,190
your daughter Nicole has a great radio

3215
02:38:54,481 --> 02:38:52,931
voice on the commercial I hope she's

3216
02:38:55,981 --> 02:38:54,491
interested in radio because she would be

3217
02:39:00,331 --> 02:38:55,991
a natural I think she inherited your

3218
02:39:02,461 --> 02:39:00,341
challenge she and she she took well she

3219
02:39:07,501 --> 02:39:02,471
took some voiceover classes in college

3220
02:39:13,161 --> 02:39:07,511
and and so this year one of the projects

3221
02:39:14,491 --> 02:39:13,171
was just that and to get credit and so

3222
02:39:16,321 --> 02:39:14,501
Wow

3223
02:39:19,591 --> 02:39:16,331
if she's gonna do a voice over in a spot

3224
02:39:22,861 --> 02:39:19,601
for a radio show go to pops pops who's

3225
02:39:26,581 --> 02:39:22,871
got a radio show so she could it yeah

3226
02:39:29,611 --> 02:39:26,591
she she cut it and sent it to me one

3227
02:39:30,421 --> 02:39:29,621
take I was just like that's it and so I

3228
02:39:34,470 --> 02:39:30,431
aired it

3229
02:39:35,881 --> 02:39:34,480
she got credit and there you go but I'm

3230
02:39:41,881 --> 02:39:35,891
not gonna pull it out because it's

3231
02:39:44,041 --> 02:39:41,891
really cool she's really good last time

3232
02:39:46,051 --> 02:39:44,051
I spoke with you you wanted to pull the

3233
02:39:49,531 --> 02:39:46,061
video camera out of the bunker cam so I

3234
02:39:51,751 --> 02:39:49,541
have a solution for you since since you

3235
02:39:53,611 --> 02:39:51,761
don't want to do it all the time I think

3236
02:39:54,251 --> 02:39:53,621
you should have the video camera in

3237
02:39:55,810 --> 02:39:54,261
there on

3238
02:39:57,850 --> 02:39:55,820
failure nights because that's the time

3239
02:39:59,921 --> 02:39:57,860
that you spend with us and take our

3240
02:40:01,901 --> 02:39:59,931
calls and engaged the most with us and

3241
02:40:03,281 --> 02:40:01,911
so have it in there on Thursdays we'll

3242
02:40:04,991 --> 02:40:03,291
pull it out the rest of the week so that

3243
02:40:09,731 --> 02:40:05,001
you have some off time

3244
02:40:12,911 --> 02:40:09,741
that's my solution very smart very smart

3245
02:40:16,631 --> 02:40:12,921
and and Rita's listening so we'll see

3246
02:40:18,461 --> 02:40:16,641
she's the boss you know I can go I can

3247
02:40:19,810 --> 02:40:18,471
go after the choker you know I'm just

3248
02:40:28,091 --> 02:40:19,820
done with the bunker cam she's like

3249
02:40:31,241 --> 02:40:28,101
tough so what okay you know the bunker

3250
02:40:33,821 --> 02:40:31,251
cam stays they want it it stays it's the

3251
02:40:35,741 --> 02:40:33,831
life you chose Church now get back in

3252
02:40:36,821 --> 02:40:35,751
there and turn the bunker cam on that's

3253
02:40:40,961 --> 02:40:36,831
that's the answer

3254
02:40:41,350 --> 02:40:40,971
so but but but maybe maybe so there you

3255
02:40:43,511 --> 02:40:41,360
go

3256
02:40:48,461 --> 02:40:43,521
thank you so much Deb be safe and be

3257
02:40:51,341 --> 02:40:48,471
well thank you good night

3258
02:40:56,321 --> 02:40:51,351
hi you're live on fade to black area

3259
02:41:07,841 --> 02:41:01,631
Jimmy hey Neal how are you I'm pretty

3260
02:41:10,241 --> 02:41:07,851
good the I wanted to talk to you about

3261
02:41:12,251 --> 02:41:10,251
the the plans of the aliens you know a

3262
02:41:15,131 --> 02:41:12,261
lot of people we've been doing a lot of

3263
02:41:20,791 --> 02:41:15,141
these alien conferences and you know

3264
02:41:23,741 --> 02:41:20,801
proven that the aliens exist you know

3265
02:41:29,560 --> 02:41:23,751
well I think we have to move on to a

3266
02:41:32,261 --> 02:41:29,570
different stage okay because the

3267
02:41:34,421 --> 02:41:32,271
government you know they had that to the

3268
02:41:36,640 --> 02:41:34,431
Stars day

3269
02:41:39,520 --> 02:41:36,650
you know admitted they said they got

3270
02:41:43,661 --> 02:41:39,530
showing footage of aliens you know that

3271
02:41:49,151 --> 02:41:43,671
jet you know and all that information

3272
02:41:51,821 --> 02:41:49,161
like that the problem is the earth has

3273
02:41:55,961 --> 02:41:51,831
been a slave planet for for these aliens

3274
02:41:57,881 --> 02:41:55,971
for long time okay well you don't want

3275
02:42:00,520 --> 02:41:57,891
to get you sideways here Neil but you

3276
02:42:04,060 --> 02:42:00,530
brought up conferences first so let's

3277
02:42:06,341 --> 02:42:04,070
stay on that sub yeah but yeah well what

3278
02:42:07,809 --> 02:42:06,351
I'm saying is you know you could only

3279
02:42:10,920 --> 02:42:07,819
kill the dead horse

3280
02:42:13,840 --> 02:42:10,930
a thousand thousand times you know and

3281
02:42:15,609 --> 02:42:13,850
they're really not getting known you

3282
02:42:19,659 --> 02:42:15,619
know they getting some new information

3283
02:42:22,479 --> 02:42:19,669
but we have to get down to the root of

3284
02:42:27,460 --> 02:42:22,489
the problem and I know what the root is

3285
02:42:28,960 --> 02:42:27,470
you know they're ducting us you know

3286
02:42:32,859 --> 02:42:28,970
they got a lot of proof of people

3287
02:42:34,719 --> 02:42:32,869
getting abducted too you know but they

3288
02:42:40,019 --> 02:42:34,729
have some good aliens and then they got

3289
02:42:44,920 --> 02:42:40,029
the bad ones okay I'm listening

3290
02:42:48,699 --> 02:42:44,930
so what when we talk about abductions

3291
02:42:49,420 --> 02:42:48,709
Neil before I say what do you think is

3292
02:42:53,679 --> 02:42:49,430
going on

3293
02:42:57,750 --> 02:42:53,689
have you yourself either witnessed or

3294
02:43:04,800 --> 02:43:00,340
well I mean I think I've been abducted

3295
02:43:08,529 --> 02:43:04,810
because one time I was in a vision and I

3296
02:43:09,909 --> 02:43:08,539
was running around and I think it was a

3297
02:43:12,729 --> 02:43:09,919
spaceship and they had three people

3298
02:43:14,800 --> 02:43:12,739
sitting in a chair and it's the people I

3299
02:43:17,529 --> 02:43:14,810
was like hiding in the wall you know and

3300
02:43:20,229 --> 02:43:17,539
I could see these black people had guns

3301
02:43:24,399 --> 02:43:20,239
in the hallway and I think they couldn't

3302
02:43:26,380 --> 02:43:24,409
see me and I got started running and I

3303
02:43:29,529 --> 02:43:26,390
saw these three people in a chair like

3304
02:43:32,199 --> 02:43:29,539
some kind of Starship you know because

3305
02:43:34,929 --> 02:43:32,209
you know I think I was in a UFO you know

3306
02:43:37,899 --> 02:43:34,939
and all at once BAM you know something

3307
02:43:39,790 --> 02:43:37,909
hit me in the head and I felt it you

3308
02:43:46,869 --> 02:43:39,800
know and that's the last thing I

3309
02:43:48,909 --> 02:43:46,879
remember you don't want to get abducted

3310
02:43:50,340 --> 02:43:48,919
and they get knocked in the head that's

3311
02:43:53,590 --> 02:43:50,350
not cool

3312
02:43:57,540 --> 02:43:53,600
well I was trying to get away you were

3313
02:44:01,149 --> 02:43:57,550
trying to get away on the ship yeah I

3314
02:44:03,130 --> 02:44:01,159
think I was rotting it had guns and I

3315
02:44:04,449 --> 02:44:03,140
was like hiding inside the wall I don't

3316
02:44:06,189 --> 02:44:04,459
know if I got some powers of

3317
02:44:09,909 --> 02:44:06,199
invisibility or something you know

3318
02:44:13,029 --> 02:44:09,919
because one time like in North Dakota I

3319
02:44:15,429 --> 02:44:13,039
ran from this devil worshiper and people

3320
02:44:18,790 --> 02:44:15,439
from Louisiana and they followed me all

3321
02:44:21,400 --> 02:44:18,800
the way to North Dakota and one night

3322
02:44:22,870 --> 02:44:21,410
they came down and

3323
02:44:25,930 --> 02:44:22,880
I heard you know I was laying in my bed

3324
02:44:29,230 --> 02:44:25,940
and I heard this woman get here let me

3325
02:44:32,381 --> 02:44:29,240
put something on you shiny so we could

3326
02:44:35,230 --> 02:44:32,391
see you and I could feel her pin it on

3327
02:44:37,900 --> 02:44:35,240
Yoshi pendant right on my you know shirt

3328
02:44:40,350 --> 02:44:37,910
like okay forget about that you know

3329
02:44:43,270 --> 02:44:40,360
forget about that meal well I'm back up

3330
02:44:45,580 --> 02:44:43,280
you just said you were running from

3331
02:44:49,810 --> 02:44:45,590
devil worshipping people in Louisiana

3332
02:44:51,700 --> 02:44:49,820
all the way to North Dakota yeah okay

3333
02:44:53,980 --> 02:44:51,710
hold on you can't you can't just say

3334
02:44:56,980 --> 02:44:53,990
that and then just just move on in the

3335
02:44:59,920 --> 02:44:56,990
conversation what happened in what in

3336
02:45:00,520 --> 02:44:59,930
Louisiana that you got chased out of

3337
02:45:03,220 --> 02:45:00,530
town

3338
02:45:07,780 --> 02:45:03,230
were you running from them or were they

3339
02:45:09,640 --> 02:45:07,790
chasing you what happened okay I did it

3340
02:45:12,910 --> 02:45:09,650
I was doing an investigation in the

3341
02:45:15,490 --> 02:45:12,920
churches the spirit told me to go among

3342
02:45:17,860 --> 02:45:15,500
the churches and learn and I said look I

3343
02:45:20,950 --> 02:45:17,870
don't need to learn you know I was like

3344
02:45:22,960 --> 02:45:20,960
almost arguing with him like I know more

3345
02:45:23,140 --> 02:45:22,970
get stuffed in the preacher nose you

3346
02:45:25,540 --> 02:45:23,150
know

3347
02:45:27,820 --> 02:45:25,550
and they said no we need you to go in

3348
02:45:32,230 --> 02:45:27,830
there and see what's happening so you

3349
02:45:37,301 --> 02:45:32,240
know I was so I was psychic like right

3350
02:45:38,770 --> 02:45:37,311
and one time I would play and you know a

3351
02:45:40,270 --> 02:45:38,780
healing service just to see what's

3352
02:45:43,540 --> 02:45:40,280
happened in the Catholic Church thing

3353
02:45:45,100 --> 02:45:43,550
and this dude went the preacher went

3354
02:45:47,381 --> 02:45:45,110
around putting oil on their head

3355
02:45:49,990 --> 02:45:47,391
forehead right and when he got to me I

3356
02:45:52,000 --> 02:45:50,000
had my hands out meditating like this

3357
02:45:55,720 --> 02:45:52,010
you know with my arms out you know out

3358
02:45:58,740 --> 02:45:55,730
not out but you know with my hands open

3359
02:46:01,261 --> 02:45:58,750
kind of thing and he opened the bow

3360
02:46:05,530 --> 02:46:01,271
another he took something out of his

3361
02:46:06,511 --> 02:46:05,540
jacket and he put this jelly stuff on my

3362
02:46:10,120 --> 02:46:06,521
wrist

3363
02:46:12,730 --> 02:46:10,130
and I started both of them you know it

3364
02:46:14,530 --> 02:46:12,740
was a lot it was a lot a bunch of it I

3365
02:46:17,140 --> 02:46:14,540
said what the heck is all this you know

3366
02:46:21,280 --> 02:46:17,150
and him I was the last one so we got up

3367
02:46:24,011 --> 02:46:21,290
to start praying and all at once my

3368
02:46:25,660 --> 02:46:24,021
hearing went away and my eyesight and I

3369
02:46:29,650 --> 02:46:25,670
couldn't speak no more and I was blacked

3370
02:46:32,680 --> 02:46:29,660
out I woke up around 20 minutes later

3371
02:46:34,780 --> 02:46:32,690
standing up and the nuns were in my face

3372
02:46:37,090 --> 02:46:34,790
saying no you

3373
02:46:39,011 --> 02:46:37,100
wake up Neil you could wake up and I

3374
02:46:42,011 --> 02:46:39,021
open my eyes I was like what the heck's

3375
02:46:48,880 --> 02:46:42,021
you know and I'm standing up how the

3376
02:46:52,990 --> 02:46:48,890
heck did you get drugged and I'm still

3377
02:46:54,820 --> 02:46:53,000
standing you know and there were some

3378
02:47:01,180 --> 02:46:54,830
other things I was you know went to

3379
02:47:06,970 --> 02:47:01,190
different churches and I had to leave so

3380
02:47:09,130 --> 02:47:06,980
then how how how did you get chased

3381
02:47:11,200 --> 02:47:09,140
how did that happen did you upset

3382
02:47:13,630 --> 02:47:11,210
somebody did they find out that you were

3383
02:47:16,540 --> 02:47:13,640
their undercover how do you know that

3384
02:47:19,600 --> 02:47:16,550
the the Satan thing came into play and

3385
02:47:21,100 --> 02:47:19,610
Neil I've only got I've only got about

3386
02:47:23,140 --> 02:47:21,110
ten minutes left and we got a lot of

3387
02:47:24,580 --> 02:47:23,150
stuff to answer here how did you find

3388
02:47:26,530 --> 02:47:24,590
out that this was satanic

3389
02:47:29,020 --> 02:47:26,540
how did you find out of a satanic all

3390
02:47:33,340 --> 02:47:29,030
right all right then I went to another

3391
02:47:35,560 --> 02:47:33,350
church and I was you know you know you

3392
02:47:38,200 --> 02:47:35,570
know checking it out you know and the

3393
02:47:41,620 --> 02:47:38,210
spirit followed me home and I knew he

3394
02:47:44,860 --> 02:47:41,630
was there and he was they were trying to

3395
02:47:47,770 --> 02:47:44,870
do something like grooming or something

3396
02:47:51,190 --> 02:47:47,780
so I was kind of in my mind I said I'm a

3397
02:47:54,100 --> 02:47:51,200
lay here like a dead fish because they

3398
02:47:56,200 --> 02:47:54,110
got this fish they if one person comes

3399
02:47:57,880 --> 02:47:56,210
and they nibble onion and they go get

3400
02:48:00,340 --> 02:47:57,890
some more friends and they go you know

3401
02:48:02,110 --> 02:48:00,350
Keith ball coming back right so I was

3402
02:48:06,360 --> 02:48:02,120
just trying to listen to see what was

3403
02:48:09,430 --> 02:48:06,370
going on and I heard that spirit say I

3404
02:48:12,011 --> 02:48:09,440
was doing this and he was talking to one

3405
02:48:14,560 --> 02:48:12,021
of his friends or somebody and whatever

3406
02:48:17,770 --> 02:48:14,570
they were doing he said I was dill I did

3407
02:48:21,700 --> 02:48:17,780
this to Adam long ago just like I'm

3408
02:48:25,300 --> 02:48:21,710
doing to him and I said oh boy I got mad

3409
02:48:27,550 --> 02:48:25,310
too and I said okay you are the Christ

3410
02:48:30,670 --> 02:48:27,560
and I'm the father come to the Father

3411
02:48:34,570 --> 02:48:30,680
and all them spirits that that devil had

3412
02:48:36,850 --> 02:48:34,580
it came on top of me I felt it and then

3413
02:48:39,761 --> 02:48:36,860
I left that's when I left out of town

3414
02:48:42,720 --> 02:48:39,771
you know I said and they followed me all

3415
02:48:45,610 --> 02:48:42,730
the way to North Dakota how do you know

3416
02:48:48,250 --> 02:48:45,620
how do you know they followed huh how do

3417
02:48:53,080 --> 02:48:48,260
you know they followed you

3418
02:48:57,179 --> 02:48:53,090
rocket here I'm psychic okay Oh so the

3419
02:49:00,639 --> 02:48:57,189
spirits followed you to South Dakota

3420
02:49:03,429 --> 02:49:00,649
yeah but they could be invisible aliens

3421
02:49:05,349 --> 02:49:03,439
because see the aliens have technology

3422
02:49:07,480 --> 02:49:05,359
where because I could see the invisible

3423
02:49:09,910 --> 02:49:07,490
beings they're everywhere I mean and

3424
02:49:11,950 --> 02:49:09,920
I've seen some aliens before where

3425
02:49:14,110 --> 02:49:11,960
they're invisible well they're not

3426
02:49:16,540 --> 02:49:14,120
wearing a cloak or nothing because you

3427
02:49:19,960 --> 02:49:16,550
have two different ways you could go

3428
02:49:22,030 --> 02:49:19,970
into the invisible accelerator and be

3429
02:49:25,090 --> 02:49:22,040
invisible for the rest of your life or

3430
02:49:27,519 --> 02:49:25,100
you could wear a cloak you see what I'm

3431
02:49:29,800 --> 02:49:27,529
saying I do but how do you know that

3432
02:49:33,880 --> 02:49:29,810
they were from because what you had said

3433
02:49:38,950 --> 02:49:33,890
is you were they chased you all the way

3434
02:49:40,269 --> 02:49:38,960
from the Satanic church chased you all

3435
02:49:42,610 --> 02:49:40,279
the way to South Dakota so what I'm

3436
02:49:43,929 --> 02:49:42,620
saying is how do you know it was them

3437
02:49:47,230 --> 02:49:43,939
from nollans

3438
02:49:50,230 --> 02:49:47,240
or from Louisiana yeah that was from

3439
02:49:53,230 --> 02:49:50,240
Lafayette I knew it was them because

3440
02:49:57,179 --> 02:49:53,240
when I got to North Dakota whatever was

3441
02:50:03,160 --> 02:49:57,189
on me they jerk it off of me you know

3442
02:50:05,920 --> 02:50:03,170
they took it back and so what they do it

3443
02:50:07,660 --> 02:50:05,930
you know it was at a Catholic Church and

3444
02:50:10,030 --> 02:50:07,670
I knew the spirit followed me home

3445
02:50:13,540 --> 02:50:10,040
because you know I could sense see when

3446
02:50:16,300 --> 02:50:13,550
you had central perception you have to

3447
02:50:19,450 --> 02:50:16,310
activate it see where I'm an example

3448
02:50:21,099 --> 02:50:19,460
Jimmy we're artificial intelligence if

3449
02:50:23,710 --> 02:50:21,109
you don't know how to turn on the

3450
02:50:26,880 --> 02:50:23,720
program to start seeing like closing

3451
02:50:29,290 --> 02:50:26,890
your eyelids you know looking at clouds

3452
02:50:31,599 --> 02:50:29,300
you could get on the internet and look

3453
02:50:33,610 --> 02:50:31,609
at clouds in the face and you could

3454
02:50:35,019 --> 02:50:33,620
watch the clouds on film and you could

3455
02:50:36,340 --> 02:50:35,029
actually see them moving their mouths

3456
02:50:40,000 --> 02:50:36,350
and stuff okay

3457
02:50:42,400 --> 02:50:40,010
once you get your telepathy going you

3458
02:50:45,880 --> 02:50:42,410
become a higher conscious being because

3459
02:50:48,599 --> 02:50:45,890
you more of aware of you know you know

3460
02:50:52,330 --> 02:50:48,609
you know I'm saying mmm

3461
02:50:54,130 --> 02:50:52,340
interesting yeah and yeah but see I'm

3462
02:50:58,690 --> 02:50:54,140
tired that's why I'm kind of due to open

3463
02:51:01,450 --> 02:50:58,700
eye project to teach people look at the

3464
02:51:02,070 --> 02:51:01,460
clouds you have to when the door and

3465
02:51:03,660 --> 02:51:02,080
hours

3466
02:51:05,429 --> 02:51:03,670
when the sun goes down there in the

3467
02:51:07,740 --> 02:51:05,439
trees so if you're looking at the trees

3468
02:51:10,290 --> 02:51:07,750
like the movie predator you could have

3469
02:51:14,750 --> 02:51:10,300
seen them and have not when you develop

3470
02:51:17,280 --> 02:51:14,760
your eyes to see them that's how the

3471
02:51:19,650 --> 02:51:17,290
artificial intelligence works in the

3472
02:51:22,980 --> 02:51:19,660
human you know flesh you see i'm saying

3473
02:51:26,240 --> 02:51:22,990
but you have to activate it but you have

3474
02:51:27,540 --> 02:51:26,250
to know how to do it but see no one

3475
02:51:30,120 --> 02:51:27,550
everywhere

3476
02:51:33,059 --> 02:51:30,130
nuts no psychics you know even you know

3477
02:51:35,730 --> 02:51:33,069
the UFO people they don't know what I'm

3478
02:51:38,969 --> 02:51:35,740
talking about because I'm pretty much

3479
02:51:42,990 --> 02:51:38,979
the only one doing scientific work in

3480
02:51:48,480 --> 02:51:43,000
this field you see I'm saying so when

3481
02:51:49,710 --> 02:51:48,490
you when he got to North Dakota what

3482
02:51:51,480 --> 02:51:49,720
happened next

3483
02:51:54,809 --> 02:51:51,490
I mean I understand that they followed

3484
02:51:59,639 --> 02:51:54,819
you from Lafayette wasn't Lafayette

3485
02:52:02,460 --> 02:51:59,649
wasn't that from what was that that

3486
02:52:04,559 --> 02:52:02,470
vampire series on Showtime Tru Blood

3487
02:52:08,250 --> 02:52:04,569
wasn't that in Lafayette or that was

3488
02:52:10,469 --> 02:52:08,260
another city anyway so oh I don't know I

3489
02:52:14,219 --> 02:52:10,479
don't know yeah I don't know either so

3490
02:52:14,880 --> 02:52:14,229
you get to North Dakota what happens

3491
02:52:19,530 --> 02:52:14,890
next

3492
02:52:21,420 --> 02:52:19,540
are they still trusting her yeah the

3493
02:52:23,610 --> 02:52:21,430
first night I got at the place where I

3494
02:52:25,320 --> 02:52:23,620
you know got the job they gave me a

3495
02:52:28,290 --> 02:52:25,330
place to stay and I work you know

3496
02:52:31,170 --> 02:52:28,300
working off Hill they pulled it off of

3497
02:52:34,380 --> 02:52:31,180
me I felt him jerking off right front

3498
02:52:36,950 --> 02:52:34,390
you know first day jerked off and they

3499
02:52:42,270 --> 02:52:36,960
went after my leg part and they took

3500
02:52:45,420 --> 02:52:42,280
everything back you know but they had to

3501
02:52:47,940 --> 02:52:45,430
do it physically they couldn't do it by

3502
02:52:50,090 --> 02:52:47,950
the world see you see I'm saying they

3503
02:52:53,639 --> 02:52:50,100
didn't do it

3504
02:52:56,580 --> 02:52:53,649
these alien technology I know all the

3505
02:52:59,610 --> 02:52:56,590
technology I'm an example and they blew

3506
02:53:02,820 --> 02:52:59,620
up between Mars and Jupiter I'm going to

3507
02:53:05,550 --> 02:53:02,830
talk about the technology I know how to

3508
02:53:07,770 --> 02:53:05,560
blow up a planet it's very easy the only

3509
02:53:11,460 --> 02:53:07,780
thing you got to do is take two ships

3510
02:53:13,290 --> 02:53:11,470
with big laser machines and shoot at the

3511
02:53:15,030 --> 02:53:13,300
North and South Pole and then it's just

3512
02:53:16,171 --> 02:53:15,040
gonna sort generate and then it's gonna

3513
02:53:19,020 --> 02:53:16,181
blow up

3514
02:53:21,241 --> 02:53:19,030
so not a lot of Technology the other one

3515
02:53:24,361 --> 02:53:21,251
is the other technology they're doing

3516
02:53:27,001 --> 02:53:24,371
you know uh Venus Venus used to be in

3517
02:53:29,850 --> 02:53:27,011
the green part if you look at Venus they

3518
02:53:32,310 --> 02:53:29,860
got a bulge in it what happened was if

3519
02:53:35,011 --> 02:53:32,320
you take another planet or spaceship and

3520
02:53:38,251 --> 02:53:35,021
run into it it's spinning the opposite

3521
02:53:41,850 --> 02:53:38,261
way okay if you flip over the planet

3522
02:53:43,770 --> 02:53:41,860
upside down it's gonna spin the opposite

3523
02:53:49,140 --> 02:53:43,780
way you see I'm saying so that's all

3524
02:53:51,060 --> 02:53:49,150
technology stuff I know a lot of things

3525
02:53:53,220 --> 02:53:51,070
that's going on it's the same thing with

3526
02:54:00,451 --> 02:53:53,230
Earth I've often thought about that why

3527
02:54:02,581 --> 02:54:00,461
why do we rotate the way that you know

3528
02:54:04,831 --> 02:54:02,591
they talk about clockwise okay it

3529
02:54:07,531 --> 02:54:04,841
depends if you're what view you're

3530
02:54:08,511 --> 02:54:07,541
looking at if it's forward or backwards

3531
02:54:11,011 --> 02:54:08,521
but we'll pick up this conversation

3532
02:54:13,220 --> 02:54:11,021
tomorrow night Neil it's a fader night

3533
02:54:16,671 --> 02:54:13,230
so I'll see you tomorrow night

3534
02:54:19,980 --> 02:54:16,681
yeah tell you about the technology

3535
02:54:24,480 --> 02:54:19,990
because I'm really scientifically know a

3536
02:54:26,220 --> 02:54:24,490
lot of things right and the spirits

3537
02:54:28,291 --> 02:54:26,230
they're attacking now after you I have

3538
02:54:31,501 --> 02:54:28,301
to sleep with a machete every night I

3539
02:54:33,331 --> 02:54:31,511
use sage and I use firecrackers they

3540
02:54:35,281 --> 02:54:33,341
attacked my feet and I throw these

3541
02:54:38,881 --> 02:54:35,291
firecrackers around my feet and around

3542
02:54:40,770 --> 02:54:38,891
my car and it actually blows them up you

3543
02:54:42,871 --> 02:54:40,780
could kill these darn things you know

3544
02:54:47,281 --> 02:54:42,881
all right we'll talk about this tomorrow

3545
02:54:48,991 --> 02:54:47,291
night okay all right thank you so much

3546
02:54:52,801 --> 02:54:49,001
Neil I got to get out of here thank you

3547
02:54:54,091 --> 02:54:52,811
so much all right have a good letter I

3548
02:54:56,161 --> 02:54:54,101
have a good night

3549
02:54:58,711 --> 02:54:56,171
always a great conversation with me

3550
02:55:04,861 --> 02:54:58,721
let's go to Eric Eric what's going on

3551
02:55:06,600 --> 02:55:04,871
man now you know I gotta go I mean let

3552
02:55:10,350 --> 02:55:06,610
me just say that you saw that poll

3553
02:55:13,411 --> 02:55:10,360
earlier that had Tyler and nap and nori

3554
02:55:15,661 --> 02:55:13,421
but but nobody gets called like that and

3555
02:55:17,251 --> 02:55:15,671
that's what separates you and puts you

3556
02:55:24,091 --> 02:55:17,261
at the cream of the crop in my opinion

3557
02:55:25,651 --> 02:55:24,101
this all stop that guys great

3558
02:55:27,480 --> 02:55:25,661
storyteller I'm not sure if he's

3559
02:55:29,220 --> 02:55:27,490
trolling you or if he's really sincere

3560
02:55:30,289 --> 02:55:29,230
believe means everything he's telling

3561
02:55:34,920 --> 02:55:30,299
you

3562
02:55:36,959 --> 02:55:34,930
and I always take Neil's call Daniel

3563
02:55:40,889 --> 02:55:36,969
Bock yeah Neil's awesome Neil's awesome

3564
02:55:42,479 --> 02:55:40,899
so what's on your mind man no I guess it

3565
02:55:43,979 --> 02:55:42,489
was classic because I don't know it's

3566
02:55:46,949 --> 02:55:43,989
about a third of the way into the show

3567
02:55:48,420 --> 02:55:46,959
and you pose the scenario to him and he

3568
02:55:52,289 --> 02:55:48,430
just came right out and said that's

3569
02:55:55,170 --> 02:55:52,299
ridiculous let me tell you let me tell

3570
02:55:59,639 --> 02:55:55,180
you he is is he's talented he's smart

3571
02:56:01,739 --> 02:55:59,649
he's cool he's fun and that was a great

3572
02:56:05,489 --> 02:56:01,749
great great show tonight

3573
02:56:07,920 --> 02:56:05,499
and I somebody pinch me man you know

3574
02:56:10,829 --> 02:56:07,930
mark borchardt was on fade to black and

3575
02:56:14,609 --> 02:56:10,839
it just don't get no better man and and

3576
02:56:17,489 --> 02:56:14,619
he was you know he he doesn't do stuff

3577
02:56:19,409 --> 02:56:17,499
like he's a radio show host right and

3578
02:56:21,269 --> 02:56:19,419
you can go listen to his shows and and

3579
02:56:24,689 --> 02:56:21,279
check out the radio station there

3580
02:56:26,489 --> 02:56:24,699
Milwaukee 104.1 and and he's got it

3581
02:56:28,409 --> 02:56:26,499
going on but he doesn't go on other

3582
02:56:30,599 --> 02:56:28,419
shows he doesn't like to get in or he

3583
02:56:34,619 --> 02:56:30,609
doesn't like to talk he he doesn't know

3584
02:56:36,630 --> 02:56:34,629
he just doesn't care he doesn't care you

3585
02:56:40,859 --> 02:56:36,640
know and he's a cool dude

3586
02:56:42,449 --> 02:56:40,869
he's cool he's way cool and you know

3587
02:56:44,189 --> 02:56:42,459
what's weird is he's from Menomonee

3588
02:56:46,439 --> 02:56:44,199
Falls and actually lived there for one

3589
02:56:48,179 --> 02:56:46,449
year and it was the worst year in my in

3590
02:56:50,550 --> 02:56:48,189
my life and I'll never forget it but the

3591
02:56:52,289 --> 02:56:50,560
people there were the coolest people I

3592
02:56:54,329 --> 02:56:52,299
think I've ever met in any state I've

3593
02:56:56,189 --> 02:56:54,339
ever visited so you just this guy puts

3594
02:56:58,949 --> 02:56:56,199
off a vibe where he's just really a real

3595
02:57:02,670 --> 02:56:58,959
person I dig that about man as real as

3596
02:57:06,869 --> 02:57:02,680
it gets you know go check out have you

3597
02:57:10,619 --> 02:57:06,879
seen the Dundee project yet no I'm just

3598
02:57:12,420 --> 02:57:10,629
go check it out he's amazing and and

3599
02:57:14,969 --> 02:57:12,430
when you get the digital download

3600
02:57:17,639 --> 02:57:14,979
there's another 30 minutes of interviews

3601
02:57:19,319 --> 02:57:17,649
with him go and check that out you know

3602
02:57:22,319 --> 02:57:19,329
he didn't want me to mention this

3603
02:57:24,149 --> 02:57:22,329
tonight but I'll say the people are

3604
02:57:27,389 --> 02:57:24,159
gonna go research he was on David

3605
02:57:29,429 --> 02:57:27,399
Letterman five times you know and going

3606
02:57:30,840 --> 02:57:29,439
to go and watch some of the David

3607
02:57:35,369 --> 02:57:30,850
Letterman interviews man they're just

3608
02:57:37,529 --> 02:57:35,379
awesome and that's that's there he go

3609
02:57:38,770 --> 02:57:37,539
man Mark Porter chard was on fade to

3610
02:57:40,511 --> 02:57:38,780
black

3611
02:57:41,980 --> 02:57:40,521
okay so here's my here's my theory by

3612
02:57:43,900 --> 02:57:41,990
the way I'm not really a theory here's

3613
02:57:45,640 --> 02:57:43,910
what I'm proposing is we have him come

3614
02:57:49,680 --> 02:57:45,650
out to Seoul Tech next year

3615
02:57:53,080 --> 02:57:49,690
Oh a little Minh race yeah he would be

3616
02:57:55,270 --> 02:57:53,090
yeah he would be great he would be great

3617
02:57:58,870 --> 02:57:55,280
up at he said he and let him film and

3618
02:58:01,810 --> 02:57:58,880
and do his thing absolutely absolutely

3619
02:58:03,341 --> 02:58:01,820
we should do that by the way if you

3620
02:58:05,200 --> 02:58:03,351
wanna if you need like them if we need

3621
02:58:09,160 --> 02:58:05,210
to get him there somehow now we'll take

3622
02:58:11,860 --> 02:58:09,170
care this isn't a charity organization

3623
02:58:14,140 --> 02:58:11,870
man all you need to do just show up and

3624
02:58:17,820 --> 02:58:14,150
bring me another ac/dc t-shirt that's

3625
02:58:22,751 --> 02:58:20,261
tie-dye is cool man but I wear that

3626
02:58:24,671 --> 02:58:22,761
ac/dc all the time all right I gotta get

3627
02:58:26,980 --> 02:58:24,681
out of here man I get all some credits

3628
02:58:29,711 --> 02:58:26,990
I'll see you tomorrow night all right

3629
02:58:31,690 --> 02:58:29,721
have a good night and that wraps another

3630
02:58:35,100 --> 02:58:31,700
episode of fade to black

3631
02:58:39,730 --> 02:58:35,110
I got a thing Mark Borchardt amazing and

3632
02:58:42,100 --> 02:58:39,740
all of his all of his legs are up in uh

3633
02:58:45,900 --> 02:58:42,110
Jimmy Church radio.com and you can

3634
02:58:49,240 --> 02:58:45,910
follow them at more the scarier on

3635
02:58:51,190 --> 02:58:49,250
Twitter all right there you go we'll see

3636
02:58:51,580 --> 02:58:51,200
everybody tomorrow night it is fate or

3637
02:58:53,950 --> 02:58:51,590
night

3638
02:58:55,540 --> 02:58:53,960
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3639
02:58:58,001 --> 02:58:55,550
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3640
02:59:00,011 --> 02:58:58,011
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3641
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3642
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3643
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3644
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3646
02:59:20,440 --> 02:59:19,040
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3647
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3648
02:59:24,390 --> 02:59:22,700
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3649
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3650
02:59:29,320 --> 02:59:27,290
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3651
02:59:31,139 --> 02:59:29,330
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3652
02:59:34,080 --> 02:59:31,149
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3653
02:59:35,760 --> 02:59:34,090
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3654
02:59:37,649 --> 02:59:35,770
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3655
02:59:42,870 --> 02:59:37,659
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3656
02:59:53,350 --> 02:59:42,880
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